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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Newt has the most liberal views on immigration of all the GOP candidates.
    yeah that proves that everyone running the GOP is far more right wing than Reagan.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

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    another person who has no clue how things work

    if it was not authorized specifically, it is not constitutional.


    you seem to labor under the statist delusion that everything is legal for the federal government UNLESS it is specifically banned
    So ... you're not familiar with the necessary and proper clause?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's right. What makes them constitutional is the Supreme Court calling them constitutional.
    that is an intellectual equivalent of a punt on second down

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

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    So ... you're not familiar with the necessary and proper clause?
    LOL-are you going to try to claim that welfare is a necessary and proper function of what delegated power

    what kind of law do you claim to practice?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-are you going to try to claim that welfare is a necessary and proper function of what delegated power

    what kind of law do you claim to practice?
    Yes, it is necessary for the general welfare.

    You might want to check out Federalist No. 44 before you go further overboard about what you think the Founders meant. The Federalist #44

    In it you will see Madison stating that the framers specifically did NOT choose to include in Constitution the language from the Articles of the Confederation stating that Congress was limited to expressly enumerated powers.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, it is necessary for the general welfare.

    You might want to check out Federalist No. 44 before you go further overboard about what you think the Founders meant. The Federalist #44
    the general welfare is not a specific power delegated to congress and just because congress claims that welfare payments are necessary does not bootstrap that power into congressional hands properly

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the general welfare is not a specific power delegated to congress and just because congress claims that welfare payments are necessary does not bootstrap that power into congressional hands properly
    See above.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    another person who has no clue how things work

    if it was not authorized specifically, it is not constitutional.


    you seem to labor under the statist delusion that everything is legal for the federal government UNLESS it is specifically banned


    Congress has been handing out welfare illegally all this time? You libertarians really take rule of law to the extreme, don't you?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post


    Congress has been handing out welfare illegally all this time? You libertarians really take rule of law to the extreme, don't you?
    lots of things congress does is not properly supported by the constitution

    the war on drugs comes to mind

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well for those of us who understand the concept of a limited government--if a power is not specifically given the congress, it doesn't have the proper authority to act

    and just because the left calls handouts "welfare" doesn't mean they are constitutional
    Again, you are confusing two different things. General Welfare and the modern practice of welfare are not the same thing. They do not have to be the same thing. While the word WELFARE can have different meanings, in this case the first can justify the second.

    Or do you have a Supreme Court ruling that says otherwise?
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