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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The really sad indictment of American politics today is the reality evidenced in this thread of just how far right the conservative movement has gone. When someone like Obama is considered to be the most radical president we ever had and anyone not on the far right of the spectrum is lumped together as the enemy, it clearly shows just how far down the rabbit hole the warriors of the right have fallen in the last decade or two. Even Reagan would not recognize them any longer.

    And notice how they attempt to argue here. They abhor verifiable evidence from the actual historical record in favor of pontificating about their own beliefs and their own conclusions drawn from a faulty and seriously flawed understanding of actual history. They have drunk so much right wing kool aid that their ability to actually deal with anything but right wing propaganda has been irredeemably damaged.

    On one hand, the claim that we attack the wealthy but can show no actual proof of any real attacks beyond mere discussion of tax policy which is right and proper. Then, they themselves attack the very wealthy and actually float the preposterous premise that they too are against the rest of the wealthy. Make up you mind for heaves sake.

    They have no problem attempting to justify their beliefs with letters written by one member of the Constitutional Convention who gives their personal opinion on issues - but then are quick to dismiss the actual words contained in the Constitution itself as to the purpose of both government and the Constitution which creates that same government. Amazing. Or it would be if we had not seen it time and time and time again.
    Maybe so but it is working. You stated previously the Democrats/liberals have moved to the center...thank you for that

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the GOP isn't much different than Reagan or W. The dems on the other hand are far far away more leftwing than Carter, Clinton or Gore (most of Gore's time in office)
    I want some evidence please. What makes you think that?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the GOP isn't much different than Reagan or W. The dems on the other hand are far far away more leftwing than Carter, Clinton or Gore (most of Gore's time in office)
    By all means do support that allegation with a comparison of the policies advocated and adopted by both.

    I await your verifiable evidence ,
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    I want some evidence please. What makes you think that?
    actually understanding the party, its platform and views. so what part of the platform has changed? reagan wanted lower taxes and less government (even if he had to agree to dem pork to get his spending for the military approved). Reagan was sort of against abortion, sort of against gun control, and pro military. what has changed?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By all means do support that allegation with a comparison of the policies advocated and adopted by both.

    I await your verifiable evidence ,
    why should we try to meet standards you try to apply to others that you fail to meet yourself. I want verifiable evidence that the general welfare clause justifies all the welfare socialist crap you want. I want verifiable evidence that the FOUNDERS INTENDED THAT

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually understanding the party, its platform and views. so what part of the platform has changed? reagan wanted lower taxes and less government (even if he had to agree to dem pork to get his spending for the military approved). Reagan was sort of against abortion, sort of against gun control, and pro military. what has changed?
    No, I meant evidence that today's Democrats are consistently farther left than Gore, Clinton, and Carter.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    why should we try to meet standards you try to apply to others that you fail to meet yourself. I want verifiable evidence that the general welfare clause justifies all the welfare socialist crap you want. I want verifiable evidence that the FOUNDERS INTENDED THAT
    You aren't answering the question. And welfare isn't socialist.
    Last edited by JustinS; 01-21-12 at 12:07 PM.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the ridiculous expectation that they too, someway, somehow will break bread with the top 1% at the Country Club and will share Dom and caviar with Muffy and Scooter.
    I did! Thought I hate country clubs and I don't golf.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually understanding the party, its platform and views. so what part of the platform has changed? reagan wanted lower taxes and less government (even if he had to agree to dem pork to get his spending for the military approved). Reagan was sort of against abortion, sort of against gun control, and pro military. what has changed?
    Reagan and immigration reform for one big issue.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should we try to meet standards you try to apply to others that you fail to meet yourself. I want verifiable evidence that the general welfare clause justifies all the welfare socialist crap you want. I want verifiable evidence that the FOUNDERS INTENDED THAT
    We have their very words in plain English.

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    That ain't bean bag or any freaking federalist paper opinion piece ---- its the actual official US Constitution telling us why it was written and why it creates a government.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the unions that demanded the bailouts of GM will have their shorts in a knot
    C'mon Turtle. There's good government handouts, and bad government handouts.

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