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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To the contrary. The most sinister machiavellian thing I have seen in modern politics is selling people a cartload of ideological BS which brainwashes them into voting contrary to their own economic interests in the ridiculous expectation that they too, someway, somehow will break bread with the top 1% at the Country Club and will share Dom and caviar with Muffy and Scooter.

    That is positively pure evil.
    the evil is attacking the wealthy with such spiteful depictions and trying to convince the weakminded members of lower classes that the rich hate them

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    This is something I find rather disturbing. Haymarket thinks that everyone who is unsuccessful must vote according to his pocketbook - not unusual among his type. I am by no means financially successful being an English teacher in Prague. However, I do have a good life, a good education and the insight to realize that my lack of financial success is the result of a lack of ambition and lethargy on my part. I do not begrudge those more successful than myself not do I demand the wealth they generated, which has also benefited me.

    Haymarket insists he is not envious. I seriously doubt he really believes that himself, but if he does then he certainly lacks the insight or the intellect to do so. I understand that it is far easier to wrap yourself up in a cloak of self-righteous indignation than taking a realistic look at yourself and your own limitations.
    Let me correct you on the two parts of your post I bolded and underlined.

    1- Lots of critics of the policies of the right wing are very successful... as am I. It is a gross insult to say that only the 'unsuccessful' want would economic policies for the benefit of the entire country. It is an intended slur against those who disagree with you and a pathetic attempt to paint your enemies as losers. Shame on you for that.

    2- It is another insult to state that those who disagree with right wing goals and policies lack intellect or insight. Again, this is a disgusting and pathetic attempt to paint your ideological enemies as unintelligent as you true believers are. Why don't you deal with the actual policies being discussed instead of attacking those who disagree with you painting them as 'unsuccessful' - a charge which you have no information which to make that judgment, or lacking intellect or intelligence which is just plain silly given my educational attainment, career, and ability to show you where you are in serious error.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

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    the evil is attacking the wealthy with such spiteful depictions and trying to convince the weakminded members of lower classes that the rich hate them
    I don't see anyone attacking the wealthy.

    Where is that? What evidence do you have that the wealthy are being attacked in the USA? Have a recent spate of South American style kidnappings erupted that I do not know about? Have the estates of the wealthy been bombed or burned to the ground and I missed that news coverage? Was there some story about an upstairs maid who slit the throat of her elderly employer while he slept after dealing with her?

    What attacks upon the wealthy?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I don't see anyone attacking the wealthy.

    Where is that? What evidence do you have that the wealthy are being attacked in the USA? Have a recent spate of South American style kidnappings erupted that I do not know about? Have the estates of the wealthy been bombed or burned to the ground and I missed that news coverage? Was there some story about an upstairs maid who slit the throat of her elderly employer while he slept after dealing with her?

    What attacks upon the wealthy?

    when the clown in the white house claims the rich aren't paying their fair share of the taxes that is both a lie and an attack

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your understanding of the premises upon which the constitution was based is rather flawed. Those phrases are not empowering clauses and feeding the people was not a power delegated to the federal government in the constitution. If they were we wouldn't have needed specific empowering clauses which actually spell out the powers of a LIMITED government.
    The Constitution states in its opening lines that among the purposes of government are the very things I listed that you seem to object to. Again -

    What does "promote the general welfare" mean to you?

    What does "insure domestic tranquility" mean to you?

    Don't tell me my understanding of the Constitution is flawed unless you yourself can explain what those phrases mean and why the policies you object to are not justified under those same words.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when the clown in the white house claims the rich aren't paying their fair share of the taxes that is both a lie and an attack
    It is the duty of the President of the United States of America to recommend changes in national policy that he believes will benefit the American people. That is not an 'attack'. You badly confuse promoting national policies for the American people with attacks. Again, you confuse apples with cinderblocks and cannot seem to fathom why you keep chipping your teeth on that hard grey pie filling.

    There is no attack. The rich have not been hurt in any way shape or form. In fact, just the opposite. As a class they have done better than at any time in modern history.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Constitution states in its opening lines that among the purposes of government are the very things I listed that you seem to object to. Again -

    What does "promote the general welfare" mean to you?

    What does "insure domestic tranquility" mean to you?

    Don't tell me my understanding of the Constitution is flawed unless you yourself can explain what those phrases mean and why the policies you object to are not justified under those same words.
    it sure isn't a carte blanche for congress to spend money

    what part of a government of limited powers escapes you?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it sure isn't a carte blanche for congress to spend money

    what part of a government of limited powers escapes you?
    Again, you are asked to explain them and you are impotent to explain what they mean. That is far more telling than you usual partisan broadsides.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is the duty of the President of the United States of America to recommend changes in national policy that he believes will benefit the American people. That is not an 'attack'. You badly confuse promoting national policies for the American people with attacks. Again, you confuse apples with cinderblocks and cannot seem to fathom why you keep chipping your teeth on that hard grey pie filling.

    There is no attack. The rich have not been hurt in any way shape or form. In fact, just the opposite. As a class they have done better than at any time in modern history.
    that is just bald faced bovine excrement. its Obama's "duty" to get himself reelected by saying whatever he thinks is going to get him the most votes. The rich don't have a duty to fund that reelection effort and how the rich have done has absolutely no relevance to the fact that the clown in the white house is a liar

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, you are asked to explain them and you are impotent to explain what they mean. That is far more telling than you usual partisan broadsides.
    It is essential dicta in the constitution since it was not tied to a specific delegation of power.

    what did you tell your students that this phrase meant? that the tenth amendment means nothing and if congress claims some spending is for the "general welfare" that alone makes it constitutional?

    no wonder we have a government 5X larger than it should be

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