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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Centinel said:
Intellectual fraud? Yes, he said black and white. You were the first to use the term race. You introduced the word race into this thread.
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I find it difficult to believe you are serious.

Black people - white people mentioned twice by Turtle... they are part of race in America. Turtle intoroduced that subject of race.

And thank you for answering my question about you being intentionally obtuse. A one- hundred foot YES carved into the side of a mountainside could not have been clearer.

You folks on the right want to do anything you damn well please about the mention of race in any irresponsible fashion you want to but you get all hot and bothered when you get called on it.
 
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haymarket said:
I find it difficult to believe you are serious.

Black people - white people mentioned twice by Turtle... they are part of race in America. Turtle intoroduced that subject of race.

And thank you for answering my question about you being intentionally obtuse. One a hundred foot YES could not have been clearer.
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All I know is that you were the first to use the word race in this thread. Way to go.
 
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Centinel said:
All I know is that you were the first to use the word race in this thread. Way to go.
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If that is all you know you have just identified your intellectual shortcomings to the world.

Nice job.
 
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Centinel said:
All I know is that you were the first to use the word race in this thread. Way to go.
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Now "race" is a dirty word?? Post after post trying to pin using the word "race" on someone?? I don't care what you point to, Centinel. One thing I know: Haymarket is not a racist. OMG.
 
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MaggieD said:
Now "race" is a dirty word?? Post after post trying to pin using the word "race" on someone?? I don't care what you point to, Centinel. One thing I know: Haymarket is not a racist. OMG.
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That one thing you know is accurate.:cool::2wave:
 
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haymarket said:
You must be gazing into the mirror again.
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YEeeeeeeeeesss!!! The DP equivalent of "I know you are but what am I!" Thats frekin STUNNING baby!!! :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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Catawba said:
Raising the capital gains tax rate will equally affect the super wealthy of both parties, will it not?
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And democrats were TRIPPING over themselves to do it when they controlled the house, senate, and WH...just like today...when they all say..."golly...we sure would LOVE for you to force us to do more. But...well...in the meantime...I will make sure my accountants keep me flush!"
 
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VanceMack said:
And democrats were TRIPPING over themselves to do it when they controlled the house, senate, and WH...just like today...when they all say..."golly...we sure would LOVE for you to force us to do more. But...well...in the meantime...I will make sure my accountants keep me flush!"
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We were in recession when Dems controlled both houses. Never a good time for any kind of tax hike.
 
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Catawba said:
I'll try to spell it out for you, hell I'll even number them for you as is your custom:

1. When you add the federal income tax that Romney paid along with the Federal payroll taxes he paid, he owes 13.9% of his income in taxes.

2. When you add the federal income tax that someone making $50,000 paid along with the Federal payroll taxes he paid, he owes 22% of his income in taxes.
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your post is still clueless I see about taxes. Romney's income tax report DOES NOT INCLUDE

1) state income taxes
2) state property taxes
3) state sales taxes
4) hotel and airport taxes
5) excise taxes
6) gasoline taxes

the payroll taxes were not designed to be progressive

sorry you lose again
 
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mertex said:
When I hear someone defend the Bush tax cuts I know I am dealing with a Sheeple.


Maybe if those who pay the most (as you claim) would raise the income of those who pay no income tax (as you claim), those who pay no income tax (as you claim) would make more than the bare minimum, and those who pay the most (as you claim) wouldn't take more of it and would then not pay the most.

But the reasoning of conservatives, as uttered by Joe Walsh in support of Gingrich, is that there should be no tax for capital gains - then all those uber wealthy people, who are benefitting from the Bush tax cuts, wouldn't have to worry if the Bush tax cuts were done away with, because they could claim all their income from capital gains and pay not taxes at all - then they would be able to say they are just like the poor people, who pay no taxes. Because, after all, the poor could take advantage of capital gains just the same as them, since that is what conservative logic amounts to.
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a hard core far lefty calling anyone a sheeple is as silly as Newt calling someone an "adulterer" .
 
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haymarket said:
That is just silly Turtle. Its about two things
1 - needed revenue to offset deficits
2- tax justice for a better America
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tax justice is needed

1) those who demand more and more government need to start paying for it rather than voting for those who promise them that OTHERS will be taxed more

2) everyone should keep the same amount of their next dollar as taken by the federal government

3) the federal government should butt out of the thousands of areas where it should not be engaging in wasting our tax dollaras

4) what you use should be as important in figuring your tax bill as to what you supposedly can afford

5) the system needs to be reformed so that a majority of citizens cannot merely vote up the rates of others without also suffering the same rate increase

6) transfers of wealth in a family should never ever be a taxable event unless there is a clear exchange of goods and services

7) we have plenty of revenue, we have too much government
 
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Grant said:
It has been calculated that if the federal government were to increase every single tax by 30% it would take 25 years to balance the books BUT only if the government stopped spending more money. And what is the likelihood of that?

You can kiss the idea of a "better America" goodbye. That's gone and you pissed it away.



Benjamin Franklin was said to have been asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

To which he replied, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

He seems to have had some foreboding about this generation of Americans.
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the tax hikers' main desire is for their party to keep winning elections and they don't care what it does to America in the long run.
 
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VanceMack said:
And democrats were TRIPPING over themselves to do it when they controlled the house, senate, and WH...just like today...when they all say..."golly...we sure would LOVE for you to force us to do more. But...well...in the meantime...I will make sure my accountants keep me flush!"
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They did not control a super majority proof congress, do you think the working class have forgotten that?
 
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j-mac said:
The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

KARL MARX, The Communist Manifesto


j-mac
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what we are dealing with are economic vandals. They realize they don't have what it takes to be wealthy so they want the government to punish those who do have that skill, desire or ability. As I noted long ago, afflicting the comfortable (ie punish the most productive) is what truly motivates this group that constantly clamors for more taxes on others.
 
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MaggieD said:
Now "race" is a dirty word?? Post after post trying to pin using the word "race" on someone?? I don't care what you point to, Centinel. One thing I know: Haymarket is not a racist. OMG.
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I'm not saying that he is a racist. I am pointing out that he was the one who introduced the word "race" into this thread.
 
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TurtleDude said:
the payroll taxes were not designed to be progressive
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And SS was not designed to be robbed to provide tax cuts for the rich

Tell you what, as soon as the rich pay back the trillions owed to SS so they could enjoy 30 years of tax cuts through higher capital gains tax rates and and increased cap on SS, we'll call it even. :)
 
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Catawba said:
And SS was not designed to be robbed to provide tax cuts for the rich

Tell you what, as soon as the rich pay back the trillions owed to SS so they could enjoy 30 years of tax cuts through higher capital gains tax rates and and increased cap on SS, we'll call it even. :)
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that is idiotic. the rich are paying more of the income tax burden now than at any time in the last 6 decades. Your moronic claim that the rich are stealing from it is so dishonest I cannot believe anyone can say that.
 
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Catawba said:
And SS was not designed to be robbed to provide tax cuts for the rich

Tell you what, as soon as the rich pay back the trillions owed to SS so they could enjoy 30 years of tax cuts through higher capital gains tax rates and and increased cap on SS, we'll call it even. :)
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The rich pay back trillions???

Define rich?

Like, the liberal slight of hand trick:


1) During the election "rich" is defined as people that make $250k a year or more.


2) After the election "rich" is defined as anyone making $20k a year or more.



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TurtleDude said:
that is idiotic. the rich are paying more of the income tax burden now than at any time in the last 6 decades. Your moronic claim that the rich are stealing from it is so dishonest I cannot believe anyone can say that.
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That reminds me, I wanted to thank you. You, and those like you could have provided no better example of why it was so important for the working class to stand up and fight back against the class war being waged on the working class.

So for that, I thank you!
 
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ric27 said:
Define rich?
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People that both make more money and pay a lesser tax rate than you or I.
 
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Catawba said:
People that both make more money and pay a lesser tax rate than you or I.
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A Rod makes more money than you and pays a much higher tax rate. So do I. the fact is the only rate that is worth discussing when the disease of progressive taxes are mentioned is the federal income tax and the surcharge on the top earners-the federal death tax. Lefties whine about FICA but the Middle and lower classes benefit tremendously from medicaid and medicare as well as the SS Ponzi retirement scheme. Most of those people get more than they put in.

the wealthy get absolutely no benefits from the surcharge on wealth -the death tax
 
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Catawba said:
That reminds me, I wanted to thank you. You, and those like you could have provided no better example of why it was so important for the working class to stand up and fight back against the class war being waged on the working class.

So for that, I thank you!
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I don't think you really want a fight. If the rich unite you would be toast in a week. we'd fire you from whatever job you have, yank your mortgage, and do all kinds of stuff. Yeah, you could hire an attorney-a poor one who is third rate while we could drag it out for years in the courts and by then you'd be out in the streets with nothing.

Posts like yours scream failure more than just about anything. a complete concession of a lack of bettering one's self
 
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VanceMack said:
YEeeeeeeeeesss!!! The DP equivalent of "I know you are but what am I!" Thats frekin STUNNING baby!!! :lamo:lamo:lamo
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Actually I was following the principle of meeting you at your own level. No use in talking over your head.
 
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TurtleDude said:
tax justice is needed

1) those who demand more and more government need to start paying for it rather than voting for those who promise them that OTHERS will be taxed more

2) everyone should keep the same amount of their next dollar as taken by the federal government

3) the federal government should butt out of the thousands of areas where it should not be engaging in wasting our tax dollaras

4) what you use should be as important in figuring your tax bill as to what you supposedly can afford

5) the system needs to be reformed so that a majority of citizens cannot merely vote up the rates of others without also suffering the same rate increase

6) transfers of wealth in a family should never ever be a taxable event unless there is a clear exchange of goods and services

7) we have plenty of revenue, we have too much government
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I read your post. You started talking about the need for tax justice. Then you gave us seven lines, most of which are either the opposite of that or extremist memes.

When will you get to the tax justice part?
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is idiotic. the rich are paying more of the income tax burden now than at any time in the last 6 decades. Your moronic claim that the rich are stealing from it is so dishonest I cannot believe anyone can say that.
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And around and around we go.... The rich are richer now relative to everyone else than they've been since the 1920s. This is like a corporation complaining because it's making too much money.
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