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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Hm. That sounds like a question that a zoo keeper might ask.

    In general, unless they are pets or prisoners, I would expect people to figure out how to feed themselves. For those individuals who can't cope, I would suggest that the federal government is not the appropriate tool for the job.
    when I was a kid I was an avid amateur ornithologist. We set up several feeding stations to watch various birds. I remember reading books on the subject and the experts noted that once you start feeding the birds in the winter, you must continue to feed them at least until the summer. If you started feeding them in the fall and stopped in March, most of the birds coming to the feeder would starve because they became dependent on the feeders

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    why? did we collect more in 1990 than at other times?

    Show me any other time in the last 30 years when we reduced our budget deficit as much as we did in the 90's when both sides came together to cut spending and increase taxes?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Hm. That sounds like a question that a zoo keeper might ask.

    In general, unless they are pets or prisoners, I would expect people to figure out how to feed themselves. For those individuals who can't cope, I would suggest that the federal government is not the appropriate tool for the job of keeping them alive.

    stop talking rubbish.... and your right if you leave people to fend for themselves they will find a way to feed themselves but the middle and upper classes are not going to like how they do it!

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    Now add in the cuts to Estate taxes, Capital gains and Dividends and compare that with our National debt during the same period.
    Definitely. This will take more time than I have right this second, however.

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    Also, I still look forward to you showing anytime other than the 90's in the last 30 years when we have significantly reduced the deficit.
    I don't think we have really ever significantly reduced the deficit with exception to when the entire debt was amazingly paid off during the Jackson administration.

    As I said, 1969 was the last time there was a surplus so we'll start there (surpluses are in bold, 2005 dollars):

    1969 17.2
    1970 -14.3
    1971 -108.0
    1972 -102.4
    1973 -61.8
    1974 -23.4
    1975 -184.3
    1976 -236.5
    1977 -159.2
    1978 -165.0
    1979 -104.4
    1980 -171.0
    1981 -164.9
    1982 -249.2
    1983 -385.3
    1984 -326.6
    1985 -361.8
    1986 -367.5
    1987 -241.1
    1988 -242.5
    1989 -230.1
    1990 -323.2
    1991 -375.9
    1992 -390.4
    1993 -334.0
    1994 -261.2
    1995 -205.1
    1996 -131.3
    1997 -26.2
    1998 82.1
    1999 146.8
    2000 269.5
    2001 142.7

    2002 -172.7
    2003 -402.8
    2004 -428.0
    2005 -318.3
    2006 -239.6
    2007 -150.9
    2008 -415.5
    2009 -1,274.0
    2010 -1,147.7

    But again, when you factor in outlays and realize that total spending was reduced only once throughout this entire period it makes little difference what the tax rates are. Even more damning, the surpluses made no difference because the total debt increased throughout this entire period.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when I was a kid I was an avid amateur ornithologist. We set up several feeding stations to watch various birds. I remember reading books on the subject and the experts noted that once you start feeding the birds in the winter, you must continue to feed them at least until the summer. If you started feeding them in the fall and stopped in March, most of the birds coming to the feeder would starve because they became dependent on the feeders

    except your actually talking about actual people not birds, your so out of touch its unreal!

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    except your actually talking about actual people not birds, your so out of touch its unreal!
    NOt at all-just making a point that you seem to miss. when people become dependent on someone else feeding them, they tend to lose the ability or desire to feed themselves, which of course is what big government turds want

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I would expect people to figure out how to feed themselves.
    And I would suppose with more people than jobs, without a living wage or government assistance, like animals, they will kill those with food to prevent starvation.

    Great plan you've got there!
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And I would suppose with more people than jobs, without a living wage or government assistance, like animals, they will kill those with food to prevent starvation.

    Great plan you've got there!
    You lefties keep threatening violence

    trust me catawba, that's not a game you want to play. You will lose

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    stop talking rubbish.... and your right if you leave people to fend for themselves they will find a way to feed themselves but the middle and upper classes are not going to like how they do it!
    Sounds intriguing. Care to elaborate?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Definitely. This will take more time than I have right this second, however.



    I don't think we have really ever significantly reduced the deficit with exception to when the entire debt was amazingly paid off during the Jackson administration.
    I already documented above that we did.
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