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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is first a knee jerk right wing reflex employed to defend the wealthy and avoid a real discussion of a rational tax policy for a nation of 311 million people.

    Secondly, it is a pat on your own back and a self given compliment intended for self engrandizement. It allows the player of the ENVY CARD to wallow in the self imposed delusion that the rest of the world just really wants to be like them and take their so called wealth for their own.

    It is the worst sort of intellectual fraud wearing the Halloween costume of elitist snobbery.

    And if its all you got, your gun is empty.
    Enough already. We understand that it's not envy!

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    No, its not enough and every time some right winger plays the ENVY CARD here it needs to be slapped down, flushed and crushed, trashed and smashed into oblivion.

    This article is revealing and shows how the silly ENVY CARD is a right wing tactic being employed at the highest levels in addition to low levels like message boards

    Romney: Questions about Wall Street and inequality are driven by `envy’ - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

    In it , Mitt Romney plays the ENVY CARD and is taken to task for it. This is what needs to happen each and every time this silly tactic is offered in place of rational discussion on a national tax policy.

    QUESTIONER: When you said that we already have a leader who divides us with the bitter politics of envy, Iím curious about the word envy. Did you suggest that anyone who questions the policies and practices of Wall Street and financial institutions, anyone who has questions about the distribution of wealth and power in this country, isenvious? Is it about jealousy, or fairness?
    ROMNEY: You know, I think itís about envy. I think itís about class warfare. When you have a president encouraging the idea of dividing America based on 99 percent versus one percent, and those people who have been most successful will be in the one percent, you have opened up a wave of approach in this country which is entirely inconsistent with the concept of one nation under God. The American people, I believe in the final analysis, will reject it.
    QUESTIONER: Are there no fair questions about the distribution of wealth without it being seen as envy, though?
    ROMNEY: I think itís fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms and discussions about tax policy and the like. But the president has made it part of his campaign rally. Everywhere he goes we hear him talking about millionaires and billionaires and executives and Wall Street. Itís a very envy-oriented, attack-oriented approach and I think it will fail.
    Romney was twice given a chance to nod in the direction of saying that concerns about these problems have at least some legitimacy to them, that they are about something more than mere envy or class warfare, and that they are deserving of a public debate. And this is the answer he gave. At a time when polls show rising public anxiety about these problems and what they mean for the countryís future ó and at a time when Dems are preparing to run a campaign focused on economic unfairness and lack of Wall Street accountability while painting Romney as the candidate of the one percent ó this seems like a pretty revealing and important moment.


    The equivalent whine that teen age snotty girls use - "don't hate me because I'm beautiful", looks really stupid when it comes out of the mouth of somebody supposedly a business and economic leader who wants to be President of the USA?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Romney's right! In Obama's presidencies abject failure, his campaign has appealed to class warfare. His obvious target has been the weaker minded among us who can be manipulated into believing that their lack of success is due to the super rich.

    Damn, I forgot that it's not about envy!

    Sorry.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    This is perfect slapping down the whine about the ENVY CARD

    To Romney, Detractors Suffer From Envy - The Daily Beast

    Yet, like the snobby homecoming queen who thinks everyone hates her because they are jealous, Romney canít see that itís not his financial success in itself that is the problem. Itís that many people find his self-serving brand of capitalismówhich was the hallmark of the recent economic collapseórepulsive.

    Donít blame the green-eyed monster. Itís simply that Americans are increasingly fed up with the behavior of the ultra-wealthy who have enriched themselves with no regard for the pile of middle class bodies they leave in their wake. In fact, a Pew poll released Wednesday discovered that two thirds of the public (66 percent) believes there are ďvery strongĒ or ďstrongĒ conflicts between the rich and the poor, up 19 points since 2009.
    Playing the ENVY CARD is cheap and anti-intellectual in the extreme. We need a rational discussion about a national tax policy for 311 million Americans and that cannot happen when one side pats itself on the back and wallows in the delusion that everybody with a different opinion secretly wants to simply be like them.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Romney's right! In Obama's presidencies abject failure, his campaign has appealed to class warfare. His obvious target has been the weaker minded among us who can be manipulated into believing that their lack of success is due to the super rich.



    Sorry.
    There indeed is class warfare in this nation - as Warren Buffett has loudly stated - the wealthy have not only been waging class warfare upon the rest of us for quite a while now - they are happily winning that class warfare.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    and this from SLATE emphasizes the serious economic questions that the right wing tries to gloss over with the fraudulent self serving charge of envy

    This is the real issue here. There's a sense that a lot of us have that our public policy ought to be aiming to produce large gains for everyone. You often hear that for one reason or another the United States "can't afford" this or that. We "can't afford" to pay people Social Security benefits. We "can't afford" to build high-speed trains. We "can't afford" to give everyone early childhood education. But why can't we afford this stuff? Are we a poor country? No, we're not. We're one of the richest countries that's ever existed. Are we a poorer country than we used to be? No, we're not. But a very large share of the gains we've made over the past three decades have gone to a relatively small number of people. If the gains had been broadly shared, then the burden of paying for that basic infrastructure and public services would have to be very broadly shared. But the gains have been very concentrated, and so if we're going to afford that stuff, a large share of the revenue has to come from the people who've gotten the money.

    That's not envy, that's math.
    Excellent.

    Of course, reality and facts will not stop the warriors of the right from hitting their own kneecaps with that little rubber hammer.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There indeed is class warfare in this nation - as Warren Buffett has loudly stated - the wealthy have not only been waging class warfare upon the rest of us for quite a while now - they are happily winning that class warfare.
    Damn, I forgot that it's not about envy!

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The median effective tax rate in the US is 27%. That's how much the typical American pays between state and federal taxes. Megamillionaire robber baron Mitt Romney, however, only pays 15%.
    I was under the impression that the effective tax rate was 11%.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Damn, I forgot that it's not about envy!
    How could you forget when you keep obsessing about it?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How could you forget when you keep obsessing about it?
    Yeah, I'm the one looking for idiotic political blogs to prove I'm not envious. Well, as PT Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

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