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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I just posted a link, maybe after you replied disproving this- http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2011.pdf

    Somebody who makes $40k/year is at 25%.
    that propaganda piece by a far left think tank is trying to combine progressive taxes with taxes that were NEVER INTENDED TO BE PROGRESSIVE (such as sales taxes and FICA [which is only partially progressive] ) to dishonestly try to claim that overall taxes are not as progressive as THOSE TAXES WHICH WERE SET to be PROGRESSIVE

    VERY DISHONEST

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is marginal rates not effective rate
    No it is not. It is the total percentage of their income- effective. Read before you blurt nonsense out.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No it is not. It is the total percentage of their income- effective. Read before you blurt nonsense out.
    that's coming from a guy who confuses taxes that are progressive with those that are either flat or fixed rate (the ones the left howls are regressive)

    that's coming from the guy who cannot read an article that clearly states Romney's 15% was REFERENCING INCOME TAXES

    whining that one's TOTAL TAX BILL is not as progressive as say the current income tax pyramid IS DISHONEST BECAUSE ONE'S TOTAL TAX BILL INCLUDES MANY TAXES (and in the poor's case-because they pay ALMOST NO PROGRESSIVE TAXES) that were NEVER EVER INTENDED TO BE PROGRESSIVE

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that propaganda piece by a far left think tank is trying to combine progressive taxes with taxes that were NEVER INTENDED TO BE PROGRESSIVE (such as sales taxes and FICA [which is only partially progressive] ) to dishonestly try to claim that overall taxes are not as progressive as THOSE TAXES WHICH WERE SET to be PROGRESSIVE

    VERY DISHONEST
    Dishonest. So you think it is dishonest to look at all taxes. The only honest thing is to look only at those taxes which support your bs worldview that rich people are supporting everybody? Honesty requires us to ignore reality when it contradicts your right wing hatemongering greed?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Dishonest. So you think it is dishonest to look at all taxes. The only honest thing is to look only at those taxes which support your bs worldview that rich people are supporting everybody? Honesty requires us to ignore reality when it contradicts your right wing hatemongering greed?
    You were the one proven to have lied about what the article said

    and it is you that engages in hatemongering and greed. I am not the one lying about Romney or bashing him because he doesn't pay as many taxes as the envious left thinks he should

    I am all in favor of everyone paying the same flat rate on all income.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Why does any of this matter. Are you suggesting that someone like Buffet should never run because he followed the law and paid what he was told to pay? Stupid that he should show his income taxes anyways, unless there is fraud it is no one's business. Also I believe he has stated he would like to lower the Highest bracket to 25% and eliminate all loopholes and deductions which from the sounds of things would be a tax increase that the left should get behind.
    Last edited by Truckstop; 01-18-12 at 10:58 PM.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    Why does any of this matter. Are you suggesting that someone like Buffet should never run because he followed the law and paid what he was told to pay?
    No, I am suggesting that nobody who hardly pays any taxes because he's rich should campaign on the platform that the rich pay too much taxes.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, I am suggesting that nobody who hardly pays any taxes because he's rich should campaign on the platform that the rich pay too much taxes.
    more silliness. Romney pays tons of taxes. an effective income rate of 15% is higher than 90% of America and his actual tax dollars is higher than 99% of the people in the country

    He is right, people like him DO pay too much taxes,

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more silliness. Romney pays tons of taxes. an effective income rate of 15% is higher than 90% of America and his actual tax dollars is higher than 99% of the people in the country

    He is right, people like him DO pay too much taxes,
    Quit blatantly lying. You see the link right there. Even somebody in the bottom 20% pays more than 15% taxes. They pay them in regressive taxes where rich people pay in progressive taxes, but obviously that doesn't change anything.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Quit blatantly lying. You see the link right there. Even somebody in the bottom 20% pays more than 15% taxes. They pay them in regressive taxes where rich people pay in progressive taxes, but obviously that doesn't change anything.
    we are talking about income taxes. the only tax MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE FROM THE OPENING POST IS INCOME TAXES and many people in the BOTTOM 20% don't drink or eat junk foods etc so its rather tough figuring out their actual state taxes which are often assumed to hit the poor heavily due to taxes on liquor or junk foods.

    and guess what-many of them are getting money from the federal government meaning their payments of state taxes are subsidized by the rest of us so it is dishonest to claim that if you get 10K from the government and you pay 2K in state taxes you have a tax rate of 20% since you were GIVEN that money from OTHER TAXPAYERS


    and your constant rant is based on the value judgment that all taxes should be progressive-that is why you try to pretend that the OVERALL TAX RATE is not progressive enough

    guess what, many taxes were never intended to be progressive so that is an idiotic argument

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