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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually what it also cuts is the ability of the right wing to keep screaming and whining about the huge debt increases five and ten years from now. And all by itself that sound of silence is a tremendous national accomplishment.
    No, no....You can say it attempts to pay lip service to cuts, by proposing surface minutia, but anyone serious that digs even slightly into what is said by Obama on his supposed cutting, finds that it evaporates, and is dwarfed by his spending. The cuts are fake, and the spending based on borrowed money is real. And Obama has increased the Debt in this country by $5 Trillion in three short years. You progressive libs, including a candidate Obama absolutely eviscerated Bush, and republicans for $4 Trillion over eight. How can you justify this type, and level of total BS? Other than being just plain blind due to ideological parity.

    You are not going to get silence from the opposition by just shouting 'STFU, and sit down'....You have to win hearts and minds, this venture escapes todays rancor.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And somehow, someway you are against cutting four trillion dollars from our deficit?
    No, we're against letting taxes be raised for "cuts" that are not guaranteed to even happen, are backloaded to 8 years down the line while the tax increases happen immediately, and are largely made up of things that would happen regardless of the bill being passed (Such as the Iraq War stopping)

    This is like saying give me 1 trillion in deficit cuts to spending now and I'll agree we'll raise taxes on the rich in 8 years. And if you say no then its obvious you're against raising taxes on the rich and against cutting spending.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, we're against letting taxes be raised for "cuts" that are not guaranteed to even happen, are backloaded to 8 years down the line while the tax increases happen immediately, and are largely made up of things that would happen regardless of the bill being passed (Such as the Iraq War stopping)

    This is like saying give me 1 trillion in deficit cuts to spending now and I'll agree we'll raise taxes on the rich in 8 years. And if you say no then its obvious you're against raising taxes on the rich and against cutting spending.
    And we sit out here in the hinterlands and wonder why nothing gets done in Washington.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You are not going to get silence from the opposition by just shouting 'STFU, and sit down'....You have to win hearts and minds, this venture escapes todays rancor.

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    That will never ever happen given the almost religious belief system of the right wing and its hold on GOP politics.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As far as taxes, it shouldn't just be higher taxes on the wealthy. I think the system should be more progressive, but there are too many not contributing any income taxes at all.

    But the problem is on both the spending and revenue sides of the equation. It's only logical to address them simultaneously. This "first let's do this" deal is a common refrain from the Right. First let's seal the border, then.... First let's cut taxes, then.... First let's cut spending, then.... These are most often dodges where "then" means "never."
    The only difference between the Dem's and the Rep's on this is that the Republicans say "Now...then later" clearly and the Democrats try to divert it. "We'll do them simultaneously...and by simultaneously we mean raise taxes now and cut spending mostly in 8 years". "We'll do border security and path to citizenship at the same time...and by 'at the same time' we mean legalize everyone immediately and then do token ramp ups for a bit before abandoning it".

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And we sit out here in the hinterlands and wonder why nothing gets done in Washington.
    Oh, plenty gets done in Washington. That's the problem.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And we sit out here in the hinterlands and wonder why nothing gets done in Washington.
    Why? Because people pull dishonest bull**** tactics like this?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And somehow, someway you are against cutting four trillion dollars from our deficit?
    I agree, we wonder why nothing gets done in Washington...because people are too ****ing partisan to actually deal with the reality of what the other side is saying or their motives and are instead just looking for ways to score political points.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Why? Because people pull dishonest bull**** tactics like this?



    I agree, we wonder why nothing gets done in Washington...because people are too ****ing partisan to actually deal with the reality of what the other side is saying or their motives and are instead just looking for ways to score political points.
    Why is even a 50/50 compromise rejected by the GOP? We cut one dollar in spending and raise one dollar in new revenue. Both sides give equally from their position.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is even a 50/50 compromise rejected by the GOP? We cut one dollar in spending and raise one dollar in new revenue. Both sides give equally from their position.
    Because if you fix the problem that way, you need to get almost another trillion in revenue (or taxes, as most people call it). It goes under "not good enough".
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Because if you fix the problem that way, you need to get almost another trillion in revenue (or taxes, as most people call it). It goes under "not good enough".
    Is it better than what we are doing today?

    I guess I am the old fashioned type who was taught you take one step at a time towards a goal. When you are 25 points behind at halftime in a basketball game, there is no such thing as a 26 point shot to keep taking.
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