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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I believe he has said several times that he thinks everyone's taxes -- including his -- should go up, so that dog won't hunt. Some people think that the good of the country is more important than the size of their refund check.
    and I and many others disagree that feeding the federal hog even more is for the good of the country

    so be a patriot=start paying as much taxes as I do, then you can lecture me on what is important

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at all. My posts are based on a love for America and its people. I have made that very clear in post after post. My work here was an expression to refer to my posts to get to the bottom of your claims and allegations and that has been done when you clarified that it was merely your own belief and had nothing to do with any law or principle.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You were educated several times in the last year over the fact that even the IRS uses the term death tax

    you pretended that only right wingers use this term to describe the abomination that vests upon the death of a high net taxpayer
    Well if they do that you should be able to link that, right?

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    This thread has gone some 12 pages just since I last asked for input. I'm too tired to get into it in great detail right now.

    My problem with the discussions on taxing all transfers of wealth or death taxes or wherever people are looking for it and focusing on the wealthiest is that it smacks of communism. This large group can pay a little more to make it seem better, but this small group can pay WAY more, so lets hit them if they have too much for the good of the many. We have a $15 trillion debt, a $1.4 trillion deficit, and are spending $3.6 trillion right now. That's a little over $10k for every person in the country a year.

    Somehow with this incredible spending, we are ranked 18th in education, our healthcare rating is dropped, we are downgraded in S&P, outsourcing labor is cheaper, and we are in a recession. I'm not getting into the source of each of these because of the great lengths each one can get to.

    If you want to start hitting the wealthy in even more ways even though throwing money at the problems has done nothing but make them worse, you are going to end up with one last chance to tax them. That will be on their way out of the country.

    Finding ways to dig at the wealthy for more money is not the solution I think we should be looking at here. Making a cheaper, more efficient government should be the first priority by miles. Exacerbating the problem by giving more money to the government hasn't helped in the past. The only way I would support an increase in taxes is if the government learns to live off what it has now and that money goes only to paying off the incredible debt it incurred failing us up to this point.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    This thread has gone some 12 pages just since I last asked for input. I'm too tired to get into it in great detail right now.

    My problem with the discussions on taxing all transfers of wealth or death taxes or wherever people are looking for it and focusing on the wealthiest is that it smacks of communism. This large group can pay a little more to make it seem better, but this small group can pay WAY more, so lets hit them if they have too much for the good of the many. We have a $15 trillion debt, a $1.4 trillion deficit, and are spending $3.6 trillion right now. That's a little over $10k for every person in the country a year.

    Somehow with this incredible spending, we are ranked 18th in education, our healthcare rating is dropped, we are downgraded in S&P, outsourcing labor is cheaper, and we are in a recession. I'm not getting into the source of each of these because of the great lengths each one can get to.

    If you want to start hitting the wealthy in even more ways even though throwing money at the problems has done nothing but make them worse, you are going to end up with one last chance to tax them. That will be on their way out of the country.

    Finding ways to dig at the wealthy for more money is not the solution I think we should be looking at here. Making a cheaper, more efficient government should be the first priority by miles. Exacerbating the problem by giving more money to the government hasn't helped in the past. The only way I would support an increase in taxes is if the government learns to live off what it has now and that money goes only to paying off the incredible debt it incurred failing us up to this point.
    Ya know it use to be about the nobility and the peasants not accepting the nobilities god given rights.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ya know it use to be about the nobility and the peasants not accepting the nobilities god given rights.
    Ummm ... what?
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and I and many others disagree that feeding the federal hog even more is for the good of the country

    so be a patriot=start paying as much taxes as I do, then you can lecture me on what is important
    Cool, you start paying as much taxes as I do, and then we'll both pay a little more to help get the country out of this jam. You with me?

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    "On Monday the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development released a massive 400-page report surveying the state of inequality around the world. The report, United We Stand: Why Inequality Keeps Rising reaffirms that inequality is now rising not just in the United States, but globally. Still, it’s the United States that leads the way.

    "The new OECD report is particularly harsh on the United States. The U.S. has higher levels of inequality than any other developed country. Among OECD member states, only the two poorest — Mexico and Turkey — have higher levels of inequality."

    United We Fall: Inequality on the Rise | Inequality.org
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    This thread has gone some 12 pages just since I last asked for input. I'm too tired to get into it in great detail right now.

    My problem with the discussions on taxing all transfers of wealth or death taxes or wherever people are looking for it and focusing on the wealthiest is that it smacks of communism. This large group can pay a little more to make it seem better, but this small group can pay WAY more, so lets hit them if they have too much for the good of the many. We have a $15 trillion debt, a $1.4 trillion deficit, and are spending $3.6 trillion right now. That's a little over $10k for every person in the country a year.

    Somehow with this incredible spending, we are ranked 18th in education, our healthcare rating is dropped, we are downgraded in S&P, outsourcing labor is cheaper, and we are in a recession. I'm not getting into the source of each of these because of the great lengths each one can get to.

    If you want to start hitting the wealthy in even more ways even though throwing money at the problems has done nothing but make them worse, you are going to end up with one last chance to tax them. That will be on their way out of the country.

    Finding ways to dig at the wealthy for more money is not the solution I think we should be looking at here. Making a cheaper, more efficient government should be the first priority by miles. Exacerbating the problem by giving more money to the government hasn't helped in the past. The only way I would support an increase in taxes is if the government learns to live off what it has now and that money goes only to paying off the incredible debt it incurred failing us up to this point.
    As far as taxes, it shouldn't just be higher taxes on the wealthy. I think the system should be more progressive, but there are too many not contributing any income taxes at all.

    But the problem is on both the spending and revenue sides of the equation. It's only logical to address them simultaneously. This "first let's do this" deal is a common refrain from the Right. First let's seal the border, then.... First let's cut taxes, then.... First let's cut spending, then.... These are most often dodges where "then" means "never."

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Obama, for example, proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. Approximately $1 trillion in revenues, $1 trillion in cuts to military spending and $2 trillion in cuts to domestic spending. The Democrats on the super committee proposed $3 trillion over 10 years with the same proportions.
    you do realize that "we don't pass a stimulus every year and we come down from surge levels in Iraq" doesn't count as actual reductions?

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