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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you engage in ad hominem attacks upon other posters and jump to wild conclusions about them and their finances simply because they take a different position on an issue that you do? That is NOT debate.
    truth is not an ad hominem attack. and I didn't mention names.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    truth is not an ad hominem attack. and I didn't mention names.
    When you repeat a posters post complete with name of that poster and then say something like you did, you most certainly are engaging in an ad hominem attack upon them. This was directed at iguanaman and his name was in your post

    why do people who rarely have demonstrated any success in capitalism or any concept of personal economics are often the ones who lecture those of us who aren't needing government handouts about such things
    You have no idea if he is successful in capitalism or what his personal economic condition is. To attack him for that is indeed an ad hominem attack and has no place in debate.


    Your allegation of TRUTH is merely your opinion based on your own belief. There is a significant difference.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When you repeat a posters post complete with name of that poster and then say something like you did, you most certainly are engaging in an ad hominem attack upon them.

    Your allegation of TRUTH is merely your opinion based on your own belief. There is a significant difference.
    I am basing it purely on what I have seen in their posts. and when someone claims I don't understand capitalism or economics I certainly can fairly note the contrary

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am basing it purely on what I have seen in their posts. and when someone claims I don't understand capitalism or economics I certainly can fairly note the contrary
    That is not what you did. You repeated their post and then lectured them about their own lack of success at what you felt was important. As if that is a substitute for intelligent debate.

    And please do not think I have forgotten despite all the smoke and mirrors and efforts at three card montie:

    Cite the source in the law where you are getting this claim of yours about exchange of value as a necessary component for taxation.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is not what you did. You repeated their post and then lectured them about their own lack of success at what you felt was important. As if that is a substitute for intelligent debate.

    And please do not think I have forgotten despite all the smoke and mirrors and efforts at three card montie:

    Cite the source in the law where you are getting this claim of yours about exchange of value as a necessary component for taxation.
    Didn't you read Stillballin's schooling of you concerning this question on the other thread. Law has no relevance to your question

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Didn't you read Stillballin's schooling of you concerning this question on the other thread. Law has no relevance to your question
    My position has nothing to do with the law. That has been made very very clear.... I wonder why you don't get that? Your position was the statist position based on the law.

    I keep asking you where you get this claim from that this exchange of value component is necessary for taxation given that taxation is a law itself? So where does this claim of yours come from?
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My position has nothing to do with the law. That has been made very very clear.... I wonder why you don't get that? Your position was the statist position based on the law.

    I keep asking you where you get this claim from that this exchange of value component is necessary for taxation given that taxation is a law itself? So where does this claim of yours come from?
    IN all the posts you have read of mine haven't you figured out I don't think income of any type should be taxed

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The median effective tax rate in the US is 27%. That's how much the typical American pays between state and federal taxes. Megamillionaire robber baron Mitt Romney, however, only pays 15%.

    That is not uncommon at all for the superrich. They do not pay many of the taxes middle class people pay at all- no FICA, no unemployment, no disability, etc. And many of the taxes that apply to a large portion of middle class's income- sales, property, vehicle, etc- apply to only a very tiny percentage of the income of someone as wealthy as Romney, so in effect, they don't really pay those either.

    But, you might think, we have a progressive income tax system. Certainly the super rich get hit up on that one. But, nope, they don't. The progressive income tax system really only affects up to upper middle class people. People in really high paying jobs pay 35%, in addition to the other taxes listed above. But once you break past that into the super rich, they don't get paid in wages, they get paid with equity, and equity is only taxed at a measley 15%. So, in addition to being excused from most types of taxes, they get a 20% reduction in their tax break because they don't have to work to make their income.

    Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes - CNN.com
    I am not a Romney supporter ( I like Gingrich) I concede that fair is fair. Romney paid 15% because the income in question was on capital gains. Capital gains money is frequently used to be re-invested in the business, so the more the IRS gets, the less gets invested in the business to perhaps expand and hire more people.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    IN all the posts you have read of mine haven't you figured out I don't think income of any type should be taxed
    More personal pontifications. Yes Turtle, I know what you believe. What you believe is not the issue in a debate. You being able to support what you believe is.

    Again, where are you getting this claim from about exchange of value being a necessary component for taxation?
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    More personal pontifications. Yes Turtle, I know what you believe. What you believe is not the issue in a debate. You being able to support what you believe is.

    Again, where are you getting this claim from about exchange of value being a necessary component for taxation?
    asked and answered

    and the issue is income tax or sales tax


    so stop spamming the same silly question over and over

    and why wont you answer the question--why does this government deserve or need more of our money

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