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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So what? A lump of gold generates income.
    NO it doesn't, it has to be sold and after that one transfer it no longer does

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would certainly do my best to provide them the means ... or the tools necessary to make it on their own. Education, values, a work ethic. Just dumping a load of cash on someone tends to detract from the work ethic thing.
    not nearly as much as looking to the government or the rich to feed you does

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and that is your choice but one of the most specious arguments the estate stealers use is to claim that its "bad" for children to be given wealth when these same wealth stealers are big fans of the welfare state that encourages people to suck on the public teat and raise children who have never seen a parent be productive
    There's a difference between providing the basic necessities of life to someone who can't, for whatever reason, provide them for themselves, and dumping a ton of cash on a kid who's already had every advantage provided to him.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NO it doesn't, it has to be sold and after that one transfer it no longer does
    It can appreciate without being sold. Or if you prefer, let's say that a mutual fund, or some shares of stock produce value all by themselves. Same thing.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There's a difference between providing the basic necessities of life to someone who can't, for whatever reason, provide them for themselves, and dumping a ton of cash on a kid who's already had every advantage provided to him.
    yeah one is done by government coercion with the threat of imprisonment or death and the other is purely voluntary.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah one is done by government coercion with the threat of imprisonment or death and the other is purely voluntary.
    WTF are you talking about?

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and that is your choice but one of the most specious arguments the estate stealers use is to claim that its "bad" for children to be given wealth when these same wealth stealers are big fans of the welfare state that encourages people to suck on the public teat and raise children who have never seen a parent be productive
    I believe you are again distorting and perverting the actual argument preferring to present a frankenstein monster version of the actual case. America is a great country where people can make it and soar to great heights. When a child is given a fortune to support themselves for the rest of their lives, it effectively provides an excuse to not develop oneself. It provides an excuse to avoid hard work. It provides an excuse to take the easy road as opposed to the necessary road which might and probably is a more difficult one. It denies them the obvious ways to build a strong moral character and a strong work ethic.

    Does this apply to all? O course not. But it is there just the same.

    The argument is not that it simply hurts the one who inherits but also hurts the rest of society because it denies the rest of us the fruits of labors that are never to be for many. Society is poorer for it even though the individual may be richer.

    It is simply NOT a recipe for a society like American which thrives on the self made person who excels and soars high due to their own hard work, intelligence and creativity. It provides a disincentive to do those things that made America great.

    Besides all the moral stuff and philosophical reasons, there is a even more simple and pure one. In America, we pay tax on the money we get which adds to our financial situation. This also applies to inheritance.

    So please, get the story straight.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    WTF are you talking about?
    inheritance is purely voluntary and is based on only the choice of the estate owner

    the stuff you were talking about is based on government coercion

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I believe you are again distorting and perverting the actual argument preferring to present a frankenstein monster version of the actual case. America is a great country where people can make it and soar to great heights. When a child is given a fortune to support themselves for the rest of their lives, it effectively provides an excuse to not develop oneself. It provides an excuse to avoid hard work. It provides an excuse to take the easy road as opposed to the necessary road which might and probably is a more difficult one. It denies them the obvious ways to build a strong moral character and a strong work ethic.

    Does this apply to all? O course not. But it is there just the same.

    The argument is not that it simply hurts the one who inherits but also hurts the rest of society because it denies the rest of us the fruits of labors that are never to be for many. Society is poorer for it even though the individual may be richer.

    It is simply NOT a recipe for a society like American which thrives on the self made person who excels and soars high due to their own hard work, intelligence and creativity. It provides a disincentive to do those things that made America great.

    Besides all the moral stuff and philosophical reasons, there is a even more simple and pure one. In America, we pay tax on the money we get which adds to our financial situation. This also applies to inheritance.

    So please, get the story straight.
    I call BS on that. lots of people get handouts from the government and they aren't taxed on that

    and your social darwinistic rantings aside, I bet kids who inherited "fortunes" for the most part have done far more for society than those who come from a parent who spends most of her life sucking on the public tit

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I call BS on that. lots of people get handouts from the government and they aren't taxed on that

    and your social darwinistic rantings aside, I bet kids who inherited "fortunes" for the most part have done far more for society than those who come from a parent who spends most of her life sucking on the public tit
    You calling BS is you calling BS which has the effect you you calling BS which in debate means........... BS. By all means, present your data and I will examine it. Until then - its just............ what is the word I am looking for????

    BS.
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