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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    That's not partisan twaddle. We should cut most social programs and raise taxes on the middle and upper class. By middle, I mean over say, 75k.
    And yet...if a republican were to suggest what you just suggested, they would have commercials run about them throwing granny over the cliff in a wheel chair and a president giving campaign speeches saying republicans want to force the mentally ill to fend for themselves. See...you and me? We dont agree on a TON of things...but I would bet we could at least agree to significant cuts, appropriate tax increases to pay down the debt, and a reasoned plan to ensure thigns are done as efficiently and smoothly as possible so that people werent devastated. Congress? They cant agree to insignificant deficit cuts even over a 10 year period.

    Edit: and in honesty...if a democrat suggests cutting the military, many on the right will brand them socialists and say they are sacrificing the security of our country. It IS a partisan battle...and it is one everyone loses. The only people that win are the parties.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Edit: and in honesty...if a democrat suggests cutting the military, many on the right will brand them socialists and say they are sacrificing the security of our country. It IS a partisan battle...and it is one everyone loses. The only people that win are the parties.
    I'm tracking...but, the problem is that massive change can only come from within the already ****ed-up system. How likely is it that America will suddenly elect a super majority of new, uncorrupted legislators that are all on the same page about reform????

    Every now and then an honest man or woman gets elected to an office, but they are surrounded by those who have a vested interest in the status quo. Thus these new people either learn to play the game by the established rules, or leave after their first term.

    Your thoughts....

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Your thoughts....
    Vote libertarian and try to get everyone else to!

    I know, it wasn't directed at me, but I couldn't help it.
    Omniscience just sucks without omnipotence!

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I'm tracking...but, the problem is that massive change can only come from within the already ****ed-up system. How likely is it that America will suddenly elect a super majority of new, uncorrupted legislators that are all on the same page about reform????

    Every now and then an honest man or woman gets elected to an office, but they are surrounded by those who have a vested interest in the status quo. Thus these new people either learn to play the game by the established rules, or leave after their first term.

    Your thoughts....
    Seriously? Look how many people have lost their mind over a handful of 'Tea Party' elected officials? The message that is consistently sent by the voters is "we REALLY dont care as long as you keep giving us stuff...pander to us". Its hyard to blame politicians when people so readily send corrupt politicians back. Instead of uniting behind responsible government...well...all you have to look to is the last year to see how people REALLY feel about responsible government.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Vote libertarian and try to get everyone else to!

    I know, it wasn't directed at me, but I couldn't help it.
    np

    See how nice it works for Democratic/Republican party?? They continue to get hammered for corruption, fraud, ineptness, unconstitutional behavior, and socialism. They continue to get votes!

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Seriously? Look how many people have lost their mind over a handful of 'Tea Party' elected officials? The message that is consistently sent by the voters is "we REALLY dont care as long as you keep giving us stuff...pander to us". Its hyard to blame politicians when people so readily send corrupt politicians back. Instead of uniting behind responsible government...well...all you have to look to is the last year to see how people REALLY feel about responsible government.

    People want security over freedom and that is where we are getting hammered by socialist politicians and gov't expansion. Voters don't want to have the risk of failure or lose their way of life so they want the government to take the risk out of living. When problems come, turn to the feds.

    What was really intended to 'correct' the government was interested and vigilant voters who would elect representatives that held the values of America. The biggest problem now is that people got discouraged and disinterested and now are so apathetic, ignorant, and self-interested that their view is no longer what is good for the country but what is good for me.

    How to break that cycle?

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Isn't it a bit silly saying he is against the death tax so he can keep it for himself?
    Good point - his family then. I also think he is concerned about what he inherits as well so it is also a matter of what he can keep for himself.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    People want security over freedom and that is where we are getting hammered by socialist politicians and gov't expansion. Voters don't want to have the risk of failure or lose their way of life so they want the government to take the risk out of living. When problems come, turn to the feds.

    What was really intended to 'correct' the government was interested and vigilant voters who would elect representatives that held the values of America. The biggest problem now is that people got discouraged and disinterested and now are so apathetic, ignorant, and self-interested that their view is no longer what is good for the country but what is good for me.

    How to break that cycle?
    It can certainly be discouraging but this is one of those times when we have to put our trust in the collective wisdom of the American voter, provided States allow them to only vote once and the system is reserved for the living.

    It was dark days for America when Jimmy Carter was President as well and the left and media bashed Ronald Reagan constantly. But the huge majority saw the truth through this scam and corrected their previous electoral error with quiet enthusiasm. I believe that will happen again with Romney.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    If child labor is a concern, that is easily stopped on a federal level without getting rid of competition between states. Simply state that it has to do with a child's rights and then it becomes federal government concern.
    The federal government did regulate it. There isn't a particular right that child labor interferes with though, so they had to frame it as being under the federal government's power to regulate interstate commerce. But that is an example of stopping destructive competition. States were competing for manufacturing jobs by having worse and worse child labor laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    The race to the bottom is awesome! The single largest mitigating factor? Efficient use of resources! Find a way to spend what you have to get get the most skilled work force (I use skilled instead of educated on purpose :P), provide a reasonable tax rate (it can even be progressive, but not crazy), have decent security, quality services, etc and the businesses will flock to you.

    Government should always have competition! Competition is what makes the free market so great. My entire business model revolves around charging more and giving better service. Guess what! It works! I just have to be that much better than the competition.
    That's called the race to the TOP Competition over doing something better or cheaper or more efficiently or whatever are examples where competition between states is a good thing. It's when the incentives get backwards and they end up having to compete to make the law worse and worse that it's a race to the bottom.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The IRS calls state "estate" taxes Death taxes.
    No it doesn't....

    Estate Tax
    Estate and Gift Taxes
    Frequently Asked Questions on Estate Taxes

    Etc.

    The "death tax" is just a phrase right wingers came up with in relatively recent history to try to make it sound mean to ask mega millionaires to pay taxes.

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