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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now all you have to do is what you have been impotent to do over the last several pages: produce a quote of mine where I accuse someone here of racism in this thread.
    Again, it was your ally Turtle who introduced RACE into a discussion of taxation in his post 1267.

    Until he did that, there was no mention of race here.

    You're the only one mentioning the fact that he introduced race into a post. And what was your point of your mentioning it, if not for the sole point of insinuating that it was done inappropriately?

    He brings up an example comparison using a racial description in a heated debate and you immediately use an accusatory tone in this quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
    "Bringing race" was used only as a historically statistical value not a personal view point. But the "does not advance" portion of your comment is implying that it was used in some sort of bigoted way.

    I'm not going to continue on this line because I don't think you honestly meant to out and out inflame the comment on a personal level. If you were to state an unbiased statistical fact using blacks and whites and someone said, "I don't think you should bring race into this" wouldn't you be offended as though you were making a personal racial reference?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you think it is "screwing the rich" to require someone making $24 million dollars to pay the same effective tax rate as someone making $50,000?
    Wouldn't a flat tax rate be more fair and eliminate tax dodges?
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    I wish we'd just get rid of the IRS and income taxes all together. I'd be willing to pay more sales tax than have to deal with our silly tax code that takes an army of lawyers to decipher.

    And it would eliminate arguments such as this.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Wouldn't a flat tax rate be more fair and eliminate tax dodges?
    The flat tax makes our system more regressive, and we have already gone too far in that direction when someone making $24 million dollars is paying 14% tax rate and someone making $50,000 is paying a 22%-23% tax rate.

    Now back to the question you skirted:

    "Do you think it is "screwing the rich" to require someone making $24 million dollars to pay the same effective tax rate as someone making $50,000?"
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I wish we'd just get rid of the IRS and income taxes all together. I'd be willing to pay more sales tax than have to deal with our silly tax code that takes an army of lawyers to decipher.

    And it would eliminate arguments such as this.
    Unless you are rich, you would be paying higher taxes through sales tax.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The flat tax makes our system more regressive, and we have already gone too far in that direction when someone making $24 million dollars is paying 14% tax rate and someone making $50,000 is paying a 22%-23% tax rate.

    Now back to the question you skirted:

    "Do you think it is "screwing the rich" to require someone making $24 million dollars to pay the same effective tax rate as someone making $50,000?"
    Back to the answer that is not a skirt but something that you glossed over with an untrue rebuttal.

    Flat Tax = Fair & Simple .......... not regressive if it applies to capital gains, income and SS.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The flat tax makes our system more regressive, and we have already gone too far in that direction when someone making $24 million dollars is paying 14% tax rate and someone making $50,000 is paying a 22%-23% tax rate.

    Now back to the question you skirted:

    "Do you think it is "screwing the rich" to require someone making $24 million dollars to pay the same effective tax rate as someone making $50,000?"
    Except they aren't paying 22-23% effective tax rate.

    Please show how you think they are. Because I can pull back out my tax returns from way back, when I made 50k, and my effective rate was in the ballpark of 5%. A childless person making 50k a year has an effective tax rate of 6.1%. If you have a child or two, its cut at least in half.
    Last edited by Samhain; 01-24-12 at 11:49 AM.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The flat tax makes our system more regressive, and we have already gone too far in that direction when someone making $24 million dollars is paying 14% tax rate and someone making $50,000 is paying a 22%-23% tax rate.

    Now back to the question you skirted:

    "Do you think it is "screwing the rich" to require someone making $24 million dollars to pay the same effective tax rate as someone making $50,000?"

    Absolutely false claim. Better known as a lie.

    The records show Romney paid an effective tax rate of 13.9 percent on his adjusted gross income for 2010, and 15.4 percent for 2011. The average effective tax rate of American taxpayers is 11 percent, says the Tax Foundation, a Washington, D.C. nonprofit that supports lower taxes.

    Tax returns show Romney's tax rate is higher than the average American's - Boston Business Journal
    So here it is folks....The dishonesty is being unmasked from the liberal class war based argument...This is why I think Cat ignored it when I brought it up earlier.


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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Wouldn't a flat tax rate be more fair and eliminate tax dodges?
    I used to think that flat tax was the way to go. But now that I've really decided to "look into" our tax structure, I can't imagine it ever happening. Oooo!! Unless maybe it was a tiered flat tax...no deductions. Like 3% on the $X up to $X....graduating up to 25% from $X on up. A flat tax across the board would screw everyone except the very rich.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I used to think that flat tax was the way to go. But now that I've really decided to "look into" our tax structure, I can't imagine it ever happening. Oooo!! Unless maybe it was a tiered flat tax...no deductions. Like 3% on the $X up to $X....graduating up to 25% from $X on up. A flat tax across the board would screw everyone except the very rich.
    A tax bracket system with lower rates than we have today, plus 0 deductions, would generate more revenue than the existing system, simply because everyone would be paying taxes.

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