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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    with that I am done for the night-you can find more idiotic comparisons to justify your rich bashing nonsense but honest comparisons bitch slap your position
    You were done along time ago when you couldn't provide anything authoritative to document your claim.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you say its something you've heard, but nothing you can quote??? Isn't that what is known as a baseless accusation?
    Alright, her name is Jennifer Aniston. She said "Brad baby you were the man I wanted to screw with money". Better?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Numbering your opinions does not disprove my claim that those that make their income primarily from investments pay a lower tax rate than someone in the middle class making $50,000 who is paying both income taxes and payroll taxes.

    You are ignoring the payroll taxes paid to the federal government which makes up 40% of federal revenues. The fact is for decades SS receipts have been used for general fund spending. Without SS funds paid for mostly by the working class our debt would be much bigger than it is because of the tax cuts we provided for the rich.
    Evidently you didn't look at post 1159 link: take a look.
    http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2011.pdf

    What is it telling you.
    It shows that the rich total effective tax rate for the rich is not much higher, but is higher than the middle class. This is all taxes paid by an individual.

    You can question the source tea provided. But if it is correct, it shows that the rich pay the same if not more than anyone else., no matter what source of income.
    Unless you got something to refute what the link says, your not correct if you look at it from all taxes paid.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Alright, her name is Jennifer Aniston. She said "Brad baby you were the man I wanted to screw with money". Better?
    Jokes are a good way to cover embarrassment for making a baseless accusation?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Evidently you didn't look at post 1159 link: take a look.
    http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2011.pdf

    What is it telling you.
    It shows that the rich total effective tax rate for the rich is not much higher, but is higher than the middle class. This is all taxes paid by an individual.

    You can question the source tea provided. But if it is correct, it shows that the rich pay the same if not more than anyone else., no matter what source of income.
    Unless you got something to refute what the link says, your not correct if you look at it from all taxes paid.
    There is nothing there I could find that compares the effective tax rates for those who's income is primarily from investments (like Romney) with someone in the working class making $50,000 who is paying both income taxes and payroll taxes. That was my claim that I provided authoritative documentation to back up.

    If I missed where it is referenced, please quote it in your response.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    It's not why would we do that but rather you...but maybe:

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    A false claim of racism used in attempt to win a debate/argument or escape punishment. This is generally used by people who have no legitimate argument or excuse for their actions.
    Now all you have to do is what you have been impotent to do over the last several pages: produce a quote of mine where I accuse someone here of racism in this thread.

    Again, it was your ally Turtle who introduced RACE into a discussion of taxation in his post 1267.

    its like saying ten black murderers received much higher sentences than 10 white drunk drivers. absolute truth but then claiming blacks are treated more harshly than whites by the justice system would be clearly dishonest
    Until he did that, there was no mention of race here.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Does anyone else think my analogy have any racist overtones by merely picking two groups?
    No, it was an example of cherry picking based on an irrelevant piece of incidental data.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Oh you can vaguely insinuate someone has introduced race over and over and not mean, racist or racism? You can say the words over and over without impunity because you're more truthful? That's more than a little disingenuous. You have little room to call anyone dishonest, when you imply the very essence of a title without literally voicing it out. Slick but not sincere or righteous at all.
    Because stating that Turtle introduced RACE into a thread on taxation in his post 1267 is a fact of reality that stands unchallenged by anyone who can read the english language.

    its like saying ten black murderers received much higher sentences than 10 white drunk drivers. absolute truth but then claiming blacks are treated more harshly than whites by the justice system would be clearly dishonest
    Anything else being read into something seems to come from someone other than myself.

    The question becomes why are they doing this?
    Last edited by haymarket; 01-24-12 at 08:02 AM.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Go back and see who introduced RACE into this discussion of taxation.
    And then go back and see who made a big stink about him doing so.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    And then go back and see who made a big stink about him doing so.
    the stink is caused by the farter who expelled the offensive gas... not the one who noticed it ...... see post 1267.

    oh - here was the "big stink" I raised

    Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
    Of course, your comment and the reaction of some right libertarians here seem to add credence to the charge that some here badly want to erase all mention of RACE from the lexicon for purely political reasons............ until they themselves bring it up.
    Last edited by haymarket; 01-24-12 at 08:20 AM.
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