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Perry Files Emergency Motion to Get on Virginia Primary Ballot(edited)

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Re: Perry, Gingrich, Santorum APPEAL unfair Virginia ruling keeping them off ballot..

Peter Grimm said:
Perry Files Emergency Motion to Get on Virginia Primary Ballot - Businessweek

And good riddance.

With any luck, the people of Virginia will now be able to vote for whomever they please, and not be forced to vote for Romney as some undemocratic elements would like to have happen.

If this appeal is successful, it will be a victory for democracy in the commonwealth of Virginia.
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You seem to be under the impression that Perry, Gingrich,and Santorum are not in on trying to get Romney the primary victory.Gingrich for example is damaged goods and purposely keeps shooting himself in the foot.Then you look at the fact they failed on their part to get on the Virginia ballot.
 
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This is all pretty idiotic. They cant bother to follow the rulers of the state election committee and cant manage to muster the required support...and that is somehow a violation of their rights? What...they didnt bother to read the rules? Their campaign people didnt think it was important enough?
 
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VanceMack said:
This is all pretty idiotic. They cant bother to follow the rulers of the state election committee and cant manage to muster the required support...and that is somehow a violation of their rights? What...they didnt bother to read the rules? Their campaign people didnt think it was important enough?
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This ^

They, those that did not get on the ballot, have no excuse.
 
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p.s.,


.....and I am a Perry supporter.
 
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You know what guys? Maybe, just maybe, it's not about Perry or Gingrich and their rights. Maybe it's about the people in Virginia who want to vote for them.

It's called democracy. Give people a choice.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
You know what guys? Maybe, just maybe, it's not about Perry or Gingrich and their rights. Maybe it's about the people in Virginia who want to vote for them.

It's called democracy. Give people a choice.
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Maybe just maybe the individuals should have been smart enough to follow procedure and give those people the 'choice'. Whining about 'unfair' because you are too inept to follow basic rules is a pretty good indicator of what kind of leader you would be.
 
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They have a valid issue. The question is can Virginia have a law banning people running for president asking Virginians to vote of him/her unless the Presidential candidate is a Virginian? Is Virginian outlawing Perry, Gingrich and Santorum from asking people to sign their petition allowable?
Does that law date back to the Civil War ideals and Virginia attempting to outlaw yankees from running for President in their previously Confederate state?
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Perry Files Emergency Motion to Get on Virginia Primary Ballot - Businessweek

And good riddance.

With any luck, the people of Virginia will now be able to vote for whomever they please, and not be forced to vote for Romney as some undemocratic elements would like to have happen.

If this appeal is successful, it will be a victory for democracy in the commonwealth of Virginia.
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Is there some reason why Perry was unable to qualify for the ballot? Was there some family emergency, some illness that prevented his staff from meeting the relatively easy requirements for ballot qualification?
 
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Peter Grimm said:
You know what guys? Maybe, just maybe, it's not about Perry or Gingrich and their rights. Maybe it's about the people in Virginia who want to vote for them.

It's called democracy. Give people a choice.
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It doesn't work like that in any state. There may be people in Virginia that would like to vote for Rin Tin Tin in the Primary. Should we put him on the ballot, too? States have to have a way to control ballot access - otherwise the ballot would look like the phone book.
 
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joko104 said:
They have a valid issue. The question is can Virginia have a law banning people running for president asking Virginians to vote of him/her unless the Presidential candidate is a Virginian? Is Virginian outlawing Perry, Gingrich and Santorum from asking people to sign their petition allowable?
Does that law date back to the Civil War ideals and Virginia attempting to outlaw yankees from running for President in their previously Confederate state?
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I don't understand this post. Are only people who are Virginians allowed on the Virginia ballot?
 
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joko104 said:
They have a valid issue. The question is can Virginia have a law banning people running for president asking Virginians to vote of him/her unless the Presidential candidate is a Virginian? Is Virginian outlawing Perry, Gingrich and Santorum from asking people to sign their petition allowable?
Does that law date back to the Civil War ideals and Virginia attempting to outlaw yankees from running for President in their previously Confederate state?
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Paul and Romney both figured out Virginias apparently OH so complex election laws...as has every other major candidate from BOTH parties throughout the last 150 years or so...
 
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joko104 said:
They have a valid issue. The question is can Virginia have a law banning people running for president asking Virginians to vote of him/her unless the Presidential candidate is a Virginian? Is Virginian outlawing Perry, Gingrich and Santorum from asking people to sign their petition allowable?
Does that law date back to the Civil War ideals and Virginia attempting to outlaw yankees from running for President in their previously Confederate state?
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You realize that Gingrich lives in Virginia, right?
 
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Wiggen said:
It doesn't work like that in any state. There may be people in Virginia that would like to vote for Rin Tin Tin in the Primary. Should we put him on the ballot, too?
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Why not?

States have to have a way to control ballot access - otherwise the ballot would look like the phone book.
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I'm not really concerned with the ballot reading like a phone book. At this point primary ballots could probably be digitalized, which would make finding the candidate you came to vote for easy.

The failure to meet a signature requirement shows a stunning lack of organization, but the requirement should serve an important purpose, because it limits the right of people to pick the candidate of their choice. I'm not sure what purpose the signature requirement serves in this day and age, when it probably doesn't take long at all to craft a ballot form.
 
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Krhazy said:
Why not?

I'm not really concerned with the ballot reading like a phone book. At this point primary ballots could probably be digitalized, which would make finding the candidate you came to vote for easy.

The failure to meet a signature requirement shows a stunning lack of organization, but the requirement should serve an important purpose, because it limits the right of people to pick the candidate of their choice. I'm not sure what purpose the signature requirement serves in this day and age, when it probably doesn't take long at all to craft a ballot form.
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Seems to me the purpose is to weed out less serious candidates. And it worked.
 
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AdamT said:
Seems to me the purpose is to weed out less serious candidates. And it worked.
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Because Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry are not serious candidates?
 
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VanceMack said:
Maybe just maybe the individuals should have been smart enough to follow procedure and give those people the 'choice'. Whining about 'unfair' because you are too inept to follow basic rules is a pretty good indicator of what kind of leader you would be.
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So you don't believe that people should have the right to vote for anyone they see fit?
 
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Wiggen said:
It doesn't work like that in any state. There may be people in Virginia that would like to vote for Rin Tin Tin in the Primary. Should we put him on the ballot, too? States have to have a way to control ballot access - otherwise the ballot would look like the phone book.
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Every other state seems to have figured out a way to get the right guys on the ballot.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Because Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry are not serious candidates?
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Excuse me!

Perry is a three time elected Governor of the second largest, in area and population, State in the Union and is the 13th Largest economy in the world. The State of Texas is more successful than the other 49 ( 56 in some circles) combined.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Every other state seems to have figured out a way to get the right guys on the ballot.
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Its not the states responsibility to get anyone on the ballot...it is the responsibility of the candidate to follow the rules and file within appropriate deadlines with appropriate numbers of signtures. It prevents people like you or ne from saying HEY!!! I wanna be on the ballot!!! Add me! It requires the tiniest amount of application of effort on behalf of candidates.
 
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VanceMack said:
Paul and Romney both figured out Virginias apparently OH so complex election laws...as has every other major candidate from BOTH parties throughout the last 150 years or so...
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I agree. The rules are simple and were not sprung on the candidates at the last minute. They have been around for a while, and over many election cycles candidates have managed. Two did this time.

The rules: 10000 signatures. The election commission recommends submitting 15,000. At least 400 from each congressional district. Must be collected by legitimate Virginia voters.

So, the question in my mind is whether you really want a president who cannot even follow these simple rules.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its not the states responsibility to get anyone on the ballot...it is the responsibility of the candidate to follow the rules and file within appropriate deadlines with appropriate numbers of signtures. It prevents people like you or ne from saying HEY!!! I wanna be on the ballot!!! Add me! It requires the tiniest amount of application of effort on behalf of candidates.
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That's it. Perry and the others have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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Krhazy said:
Why not?

I'm not really concerned with the ballot reading like a phone book. At this point primary ballots could probably be digitalized, which would make finding the candidate you came to vote for easy.

The failure to meet a signature requirement shows a stunning lack of organization, but the requirement should serve an important purpose, because it limits the right of people to pick the candidate of their choice. I'm not sure what purpose the signature requirement serves in this day and age, when it probably doesn't take long at all to craft a ballot form.
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Well, you may not be concerned about the ballot looking like a phone book, but I'm guessing the voters just might be. Just out of curiousity, would you have any limits on who appears on the ballot? Two hundred? Two thousand? Anybody with a business who wants to get his name out there? Are you willing to extend election day to say - election week - just so each voter has the opportunity to make his or her way through the pages and pages of names? I'm also assuming you are willing to spend the money it would cost to print all of those pages and ou'd be willing to fund the technology needed to invent voting equiptment that could handle two thousand - or ten thousand - candidates for an office.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
So you don't believe that people should have the right to vote for anyone they see fit?
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I don't know about him, but I'd support allowing write in votes for any candidate. I would not support allowing unrestricted ballot access to anybody who just wants a little publicity. God knows there are enough of those folks around.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Every other state seems to have figured out a way to get the right guys on the ballot.
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And all of them have some sort of ballot access requirement. It's not that complicated. Especially for people who think they're smart enough to be President of the United States.
 
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