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Cruise Ship sinks!

This very reminiscent of the Oceanos sinking off of S. Africa. Luckily, due to a a brave guitarist and cruise director, no lives were lost. Sadly, Captain Yiannis Avranas received no punishment and actually went on to skipper a ferry in Greece.

I doubt the Italians will be so lenient. The captain is scum. By no means do I expect a "captain to go down in with the ship" in the modern era of sailing but to be the first one off and actually wanting to run away is wholeheartedly unacceptable.

I'd also bet the requirements for a muster drill will go from "24 hours from departure" to "prior to departure" when this is all said and done. Strange though, most cruise lines conduct this drill once the lines are are off the dock.
 
Wake said:
Tradition that may be, but if it places the captain's life in danger, I don't think he should have to die.
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He, nor his second, should have left to begin with before the passengers are off. And he certainly seems to have little problem allowing others to risk dying in his place in going aboard to rescue those still trying to abandon ship.
 
Wake said:
Tradition that may be, but if it places the captain's life in danger, I don't think he should have to die.
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If it places the captain's life in danger? How about the other 4,000 passengers who were on the ship? Many captains have gone down with their ships adhering to this important tradition. So not only is the captain a stupid idiot for causing the accident in the first place, but he is a coward.
 
Wake said:
Tradition that may be, but if it places the captain's life in danger, I don't think he should have to die.
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The captain of a vessel carrying precious cargo (humans, most of which have no experience at sea) is overall responsible for them. He diddled around for an hour before he left the ship. The passenger were told to return to their cabins. This totally contradictory to the training these guys receive. The passengers should have been told to remain at the their muster stations until its determined whether the situation can be controlled or not. That determination could have been made pretty damn quick considering the bilge alarm panel would be lit up like a Christmas tree.
 
roguenuke said:
No, but he is supposed to organize the people to get off the ship as safely as they can. There obviously was time for him to do so since the coast guard captain said that he had been arguing with him for about an hour about returning to the ship to help get the rest of the people off it.

A Captain no longer has to go down with their ship but they most certainly should be one of the very last people off and certainly shouldn't leave before all living passengers are off the ship. This guy had to be off before a good number of the passengers if they were still trying to rescue them an hour after the Coast Guard started fighting with him to go back and work to get the rest of the people off.
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I see.

That changes my perspective a bit.
 
Wake said:
I don't see the hub-bub behind the outrage against the captain.

What, is he supposed to go down with the ship and die?
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You're kidding, right???
 
Wake said:
I don't see the hub-bub behind the outrage against the captain.

What, is he supposed to go down with the ship and die?
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in fact, yes, if that's what it takes. he's a craven coward and will be prosecuted.
 
Enola said:
You're kidding, right???
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Warning: Thread Derail Ahead...

Anyone remember the Seinfeld episode where George is a guest at a baby shower, the fire alarm for the building rings, and he pushes, shoves all the ladies out of the way to scramble his butt out the door? Even the preggers one? :rofl
 
Remember the plane captain that landed in the Hudson? He was the last one out. He walked that sinking plane to make sure ALL were out. And he refused to leave the wing of the plane until ALL passengers were gone. THAT is a captain of a vessel. This other guy? Coward. Show off. "Ladies man" who thinks he is above it all but would be the first to hold a child in front of him if threatened.
 
Enola said:
You're kidding, right???
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I don't tend to assume what society says is correct.

According to their created tradition, he's a coward. I guess he is, perhaps, regardless of tradition.
 
And anyone questioning why a captain would not stay to make sure 4200 people he was in charge of were safely removed....I dunno. That is just strange to me. What's to question????
 
Enola said:
And anyone questioning why a captain would not stay to make sure 4200 people he was in charge of were safely removed....I dunno. That is just strange to me. What's to question????
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It doesn't concern me much. I'm just here to watch the hysteria. :shrug:
 
Wake said:
I don't tend to assume what society says is correct.

According to their created tradition, he's a coward. I guess he is, perhaps, regardless of tradition.
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If you ever have kids and a wife that you adore is on a ship, I hope you don't get someone like that cruise captain. And I hope you would never do what that captain did, either.

Yes, he is a coward. The worst kind.
 
Wake said:
It doesn't concern me much. I'm just here to watch the hysteria. :shrug:
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Nice to know. I'll be sure to avoid you from now on and not converse with you in future. Thanks for the warning.
 
Wake said:
I don't tend to assume what society says is correct.

According to their created tradition, he's a coward. I guess he is, perhaps, regardless of tradition.
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While the captain was ashore giving television interviews, four men -- a doctor, a young official, the ship's purser and the deputy mayor of the Giglio island, who boarded the ship after the disaster -- saved about 500 trapped passengers.



Overhead Bin - Scorned cruise ship captain not alone in history
 
Enola said:
Nice to know. I'll be sure to avoid you from now on and not converse with you in future. Thanks for the warning.
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Not sure where that came from, really.

I can understand how the captain's a coward, but I'm also a bit inquisitive about the underlying hypothetical framework at play..
 
Wake said:
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Not sure where that came from, really.

I can understand how the captain's a coward, but I'm also a bit inquisitive about the underlying hypothetical framework at play..
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oh shut up, wake. there's no "underlying hypothetical framework" at play. your attempts to appear intelligent are pathetic.
 
liblady said:
oh shut up, wake. there's no "underlying hypothetical framework" at play. your attempts to appear intelligent are pathetic.
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Wow, that's not nice.
 
liblady said:
oh shut up, wake. there's no "underlying hypothetical framework" at play. your attempts to appear intelligent are pathetic.
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Furthermore, it's not smart to destroy your credibility by saying such things on a discussion board, because it's a stupid post based on nothing but contempt. No argument at all. Ironic, huh?
 
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liblady said:
oh shut up, wake. there's no "underlying hypothetical framework" at play. your attempts to appear intelligent are pathetic.
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Wake said:
Furthermore, it's not smart to destroy your credibility by saying such things on a discussion board, because it's a stupid post based on nothing but contempt. No argument at all. Ironic, huh?
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Moderator's Warning:
Take it elsewhere guys.
 
Wake said:
I don't tend to assume what society says is correct.

According to their created tradition, he's a coward. I guess he is, perhaps, regardless of tradition.
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Regardless of societal standards labeling him a coward, he's negligent. He is a licensed master of vessel. With that comes responsibility that he assumed in obtaining that license and accepting the position as master of a large passenger vessel. All done by his choice and free will. He has received training on what exactly he's supposed to do in this situation.
 
How much you want to bet that someone is going to make CRAPLOADS of money off of this? (I bet in imaginairy points) Either insurance, blackmarket bets, or the equivalent of a put-option stock.
 
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