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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True, but considering that the last bunch to hit the US did it with commercial aircraft, I don't put much by today's terrorists. The fact that I would not be allowed to carry any of my personal self-defense tools onto the ship is a large part of why I would never even CONSIDER taking a cruise. I go out of my way to not be around large groups of people without appropriate self-defense tools on my person whenever possible.
    Sour grapes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Tell that to the sailors aboard the USS Cole.

    Tell em what? That small boat was loaded with explosive and damage did not cause a total loss.

    17 sailors were killed during that attack and it was really more to do with luck as the strike hit the galley right at lunch time.

    But actually, that attack proves my point. Did the Cole sink? Modern ship design takes into account for damage stability in regards to the floodable length curve. Furthermore, most cruise ships only consist of crew accommodations at the water line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Tell em what? That small boat was loaded with explosive and damage did not cause a total loss.

    17 sailors were killed during that attack and it was really more to do with luck as the strike hit the galley right at lunch time.

    But actually, that attack proves my point. Did the Cole sink? Modern ship design takes into account for damage stability in regards to the floodable length curve. Furthermore, most cruise ships only consist of crew accommodations at the water line.
    It wouldn't have to be a sinking to be considered a serious attack. And my guess is that the Cole was a bit more robust than the typical cruise ship. And for a cruise ship you could pack an 80 or 100' boat with explosives ... if you had enough money.

    It is what it is. There are thousands of potential targets in any free country where a determined terrorist could wreak havoc. The amazing thing is that it doesn't happen more often.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Sour grapes?
    No, just being prepared; because when seconds matter the police are only minutes away (at best).

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It wouldn't have to be a sinking to be considered a serious attack. And my guess is that the Cole was a bit more robust than the typical cruise ship. And for a cruise ship you could pack an 80 or 100' boat with explosives ... if you had enough money.

    It is what it is. There are thousands of potential targets in any free country where a determined terrorist could wreak havoc. The amazing thing is that it doesn't happen more often.
    Seem to be shifting the discussion. Never said it wouldn't be a serious attack, said its not a soft target, especially considering that AQ shoots for a significant body count in attacks they plan in US. To load a 80 or 100' boat, you'd need a sh!t ton of explosives. Not like you can just roll into HomeDepot and pick that stuff up. This scenario with the logitics required is exactly why a cruise ship is not a "soft" target.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Seem to be shifting the discussion. Never said it wouldn't be a serious attack, said its not a soft target, especially considering that AQ shoots for a significant body count in attacks they plan in US. To load a 80 or 100' boat, you'd need a sh!t ton of explosives. Not like you can just roll into HomeDepot and pick that stuff up. This scenario with the logitics required is exactly why a cruise ship is not a "soft" target.
    It wouldn't take a 100-foot boat loaded with explosives to completely cripple the cruise line industry. And it wouldn't take more than 20 people with bottle bombs to cripple our economy. The question I'm always asking myself is, "Why isn't that **** happening?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It wouldn't take a 100-foot boat loaded with explosives to completely cripple the cruise line industry. And it wouldn't take more than 20 people with bottle bombs to cripple our economy. The question I'm always asking myself is, "Why isn't that **** happening?"
    I don't disagree as I clearly stated a few posts ago. A crazy guy with small arms could have a huge impact on the cruise industry. But as far as a large number of people being killed aboard a cruise ship during a terrorist attack, highly unlikely.

    As far as why? I'd say it two reasons on the top of my head. One, AQ's goal for an attack in the US is something produces a significant body count. Doesn't appear they've changed this at all. Two, the ability to organize in the US is obviosly prohibitively difficult.

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    Anyone read the latest? That damn captain needs to be keelhauled.

    I'll see if I can find the link with the newest update. Capt claimed to coast guard capt that he was going to "assist from shore". Like...WTF????

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Costa Concordia: coastguard 'ordered captain to return to the ship' | World news | The Guardian


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...6pLid%3D128221


    I say hire the capt of the coast guard to be new captain of any cruise ship launched after this disaster.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Costa Concordia: coastguard 'ordered captain to return to the ship' | World news | The Guardian


    Costa Concordia: Captain 'Left Ship And Called Taxi' After Crash


    I say hire the capt of the coast guard to be new captain of any cruise ship launched after this disaster.
    Thereafter, all radio calls to the stricken liner went unanswered. But at 00.32 the coastguard managed to contact Schettino by telephone. By then, the evacuation had been under way for only about 40 minutes. The captain was asked how many people were still aboard.

    "Two, three hundred," he replied. Ten minutes later, the coastguard rang him again. By then, said Il Fatto quoting a local fire brigade commander, Schettino had left his ship and was on the rocks at Punta Gabbianara. He was again asked how many people were still aboard.
    "I've called the ship owners, and they tell me that about 40 people are missing," he replied. "So few? How is that possible?" asked the coastguard, before adding: "But you're on board?" "No. I'm not on board because the bows of the ship are coming up. We've abandoned her." "What do you mean? You've abandoned ship?" "No. No way have I abandoned ship. I'm here."

    The final, and most dramatic call, took place at 1.46am when, after confirming that he was speaking to the captain, a coastguard officer told him: "Right. You are now going back on board. You are going to go back up the rope ladder, return to the bridge and co-ordinate operations."

    There followed a long silence, Il Fatto reported. "You must tell me how many people there are," the coastguard officer continued. "How many passengers, women and children – and co-ordinate the rescue." Schettino protested that he was on land. "Captain," said the coastguard officer, cutting across him. "This is an order. Now I am in command. You have declared the abandoning of a ship and are going to co-ordinate the rescue from the bridge. There are already dead bodies."

    "How many?" asked Schettino. "You're the one who should be telling me that," came the reply. "What do you want to do? Go home? Now, go back up and tell me what can be done: how many people there are and what they need." "Alright," said Schettino. "I'm going." [He never did.]
    He's a coward.
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