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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Here ya go, Tigger. If you're wanting to see Hawaii more for American history than beauty, there are things to see besides Pearl Harbor. A quick search yielded this link:

    HAWAII'S WORLD WAR MEMORIALS

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    According to data Klein collected, the risk of sexual assault is nearly 50 per cent greater on a cruise ship than on land in Canada. He used data collected by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and internal industry documents used in lawsuits between 2003 and 2005.



    Read more: Crime, fires compromise cruise ship safety: experts | CTV News

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    According to data Klein collected, the risk of sexual assault is nearly 50 per cent greater on a cruise ship than on land in Canada. He used data collected by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and internal industry documents used in lawsuits between 2003 and 2005.
    The potential crime issue alone is enough to keep me away from those ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You don't attack it by boat. You attack it by helicopter. You do it very similarly to how the Iraeli's took down the Freedom Flotilla ship a couple years ago. Once you shoot the first 3 or 4 dozen people the rest will tend to become very compliant. Then you have a ship full of hostages to bargain with. Since the crew is not allowed to carry weapons by international treaty (what a joke), the ship itself has no defenses.
    What you just described is exactly why its not a "soft" target. It takes individuals that are highly trained to carry out a helicopter insertion as you described.

    And someone posted a excerpt of the Achille Lauro incident. Security protocols have changed quite a bit since those days. Boarding a cruiseship isn't so different than boarding a plane, minus the nudy shots the TSA is taking these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    What you just described is exactly why its not a "soft" target. It takes individuals that are highly trained to carry out a helicopter insertion as you described.

    And someone posted a excerpt of the Achille Lauro incident. Security protocols have changed quite a bit since those days. Boarding a cruiseship isn't so different than boarding a plane, minus the nudy shots the TSA is taking these days.
    True, but considering that the last bunch to hit the US did it with commercial aircraft, I don't put much by today's terrorists. The fact that I would not be allowed to carry any of my personal self-defense tools onto the ship is a large part of why I would never even CONSIDER taking a cruise. I go out of my way to not be around large groups of people without appropriate self-defense tools on my person whenever possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    What you just described is exactly why its not a "soft" target. It takes individuals that are highly trained to carry out a helicopter insertion as you described.

    And someone posted a excerpt of the Achille Lauro incident. Security protocols have changed quite a bit since those days. Boarding a cruiseship isn't so different than boarding a plane, minus the nudy shots the TSA is taking these days.
    Frankly I think they are very soft targets. At least in South Florida, anyone can run a boat within 100 yards of one of these giant cruise ships. A suicide bomber could deliver a substantial payload to the water line and there's nothing anyone could do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True, but considering that the last bunch to hit the US did it with commercial aircraft, I don't put much by today's terrorists. The fact that I would not be allowed to carry any of my personal self-defense tools onto the ship is a large part of why I would never even CONSIDER taking a cruise. I go out of my way to not be around large groups of people without appropriate self-defense tools on my person whenever possible.
    That is bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True, but considering that the last bunch to hit the US did it with commercial aircraft, I don't put much by today's terrorists. The fact that I would not be allowed to carry any of my personal self-defense tools onto the ship is a large part of why I would never even CONSIDER taking a cruise. I go out of my way to not be around large groups of people without appropriate self-defense tools on my person whenever possible.
    Again, helo's are short range aircraft, for this type of attack to be effective, you'd have to do it in the open sea. So again, not a soft target due to the level of logistics required to pull it off.


    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Frankly I think they are very soft targets. At least in South Florida, anyone can run a boat within 100 yards of one of these giant cruise ships. A suicide bomber could deliver a substantial payload to the water line and there's nothing anyone could do about it.
    Meh, it'd take more explosives than your average speedboat could carry to do any real damage (as in sinking/destruction) to a cruise ship. Modern ship design in regards to subdivision and watertight integrity make this type of attack pointless if your goal was a body count.

    However, what it would do is decimate the the multi-billions dollar cruise industry. Probably add 1% to the US unemployment within a month. People had to get back on planes, people to not have to take a cruise.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    The security is about like that of an airplane. It might be possible to smuggle a bomb on board, just as could happen on a plane. I would say a terrorist attack on a ship is about as likely as an attack on a plane.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Meh, it'd take more explosives than your average speedboat could carry to do any real damage (as in sinking/destruction) to a cruise ship. Modern ship design in regards to subdivision and watertight integrity make this type of attack pointless if your goal was a body count.

    However, what it would do is decimate the the multi-billions dollar cruise industry. Probably add 1% to the US unemployment within a month. People had to get back on planes, people to not have to take a cruise.
    Tell that to the sailors aboard the USS Cole.


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