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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm just waiting for terrorist to attack one of these things in the open sea someday, talk about a soft target with high casualties.
    Yeah, that's part of why you'll never find me on one. Way too many people in a confined space and without the ability to defend themselves. Makes for a lovely terrorist target, and even just the fact that there is really no allowance for self-defense or personal protection on these ships from what I'm told; just makes me unwilling to even consider it.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yeah, that's part of why you'll never find me on one. Way too many people in a confined space and without the ability to defend themselves. Makes for a lovely terrorist target, and even just the fact that there is really no allowance for self-defense or personal protection on these ships from what I'm told; just makes me unwilling to even consider it.
    Hey, there might be a place for a new cruise line concentrating on the paranoid pyschotic market.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    A cruise ship is not as easy of a target as you might suspect. Unless you hit this thing from multiple angles, there are simply too many people on there for you not to get caught. First, the captain will radio distress and within minutes you will have a military dispatched to ruin your day. Second, its very hard to attack a ship on the open seas, you have to be in a boat big enough to do that and if you are, you are easily tracable. Third, it would be an act of war.

    I don't see a cruise ship as an easy target, I see it as a sucker hole into something much worse.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hey, there might be a place for a new cruise line concentrating on the paranoid pyschotic market.
    Not sure how well that would work out, but you could give it a try.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    A cruise ship is not as easy of a target as you might suspect. Unless you hit this thing from multiple angles, there are simply too many people on there for you not to get caught. First, the captain will radio distress and within minutes you will have a military dispatched to ruin your day. Second, its very hard to attack a ship on the open seas, you have to be in a boat big enough to do that and if you are, you are easily tracable. Third, it would be an act of war.

    I don't see a cruise ship as an easy target, I see it as a sucker hole into something much worse.
    Sounds fairly easy to me . . .

    On Oct. 7, 1985, off the coast of Egypt, four gunmen hijacked the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro and demanded the release of Palestinian prisoners in Egypt, Italy, and elsewhere. When the demands weren't met, they killed Leon Klinghoffer, a 69-year-old disabled American tourist. Investigators blamed the Palestine Liberation Front, which some believed to be allied with Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Liberation Organization. Later, U.S. officials were able to link Libya to the PLF and the hijacking.

    After the hijackers escaped the Achille Lauro and left Egypt by air, U.S. Navy fighters intercepted their plane and forced it down in Italy. The four hijackers were apprehended, and in 1986, they were found guilty in an Italian court. Two of the hijackers escaped from prison. One, Magid al-Molgi, who confessed to killing Mr. Klinghoffer, was caught and returned to prison. The man identified as the mastermind of the hijacking, Abu Abbas, was released by Italy despite Washington's pleas that he be held for trial.


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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    A cruise ship is not as easy of a target as you might suspect. Unless you hit this thing from multiple angles, there are simply too many people on there for you not to get caught. First, the captain will radio distress and within minutes you will have a military dispatched to ruin your day. Second, its very hard to attack a ship on the open seas, you have to be in a boat big enough to do that and if you are, you are easily tracable. Third, it would be an act of war.

    I don't see a cruise ship as an easy target, I see it as a sucker hole into something much worse.
    You don't attack it by boat. You attack it by helicopter. You do it very similarly to how the Iraeli's took down the Freedom Flotilla ship a couple years ago. Once you shoot the first 3 or 4 dozen people the rest will tend to become very compliant. Then you have a ship full of hostages to bargain with. Since the crew is not allowed to carry weapons by international treaty (what a joke), the ship itself has no defenses.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You don't attack it by boat. You attack it by helicopter. You do it very similarly to how the Iraeli's took down the Freedom Flotilla ship a couple years ago. Once you shoot the first 3 or 4 dozen people the rest will tend to become very compliant. Then you have a ship full of hostages to bargain with. Since the crew is not allowed to carry weapons by international treaty (what a joke), the ship itself has no defenses.
    What international treaty would that be? As far as i know the ship is subject to the law of whatever countries flag it is flying

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    What international treaty would that be? As far as i know the ship is subject to the law of whatever countries flag it is flying
    It is my understanding (and I may be wrong) that non-military ships and crews in international waters are not allowed to carry armaments (neither crew served nor small arms). I believe this has to do with UN conventions/treaties that have been in place for quite a while. I remember hearing about it during the Somali Piracy issue a couple years ago.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It is my understanding (and I may be wrong) that non-military ships and crews in international waters are not allowed to carry armaments (neither crew served nor small arms). I believe this has to do with UN conventions/treaties that have been in place for quite a while. I remember hearing about it during the Somali Piracy issue a couple years ago.
    If you're in international waters you can do pretty much whatever you want -- including carrying arms.

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    Re: Cruise Ship sinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It is my understanding (and I may be wrong) that non-military ships and crews in international waters are not allowed to carry armaments (neither crew served nor small arms). I believe this has to do with UN conventions/treaties that have been in place for quite a while. I remember hearing about it during the Somali Piracy issue a couple years ago.
    That's not true. Cruise lines don't talk about their armed security because they don't want to alarm potential passengers, but it's definitely there...

    An Italian cruise ship with 1,500 people on board fended off a pirate attack far off the coast of Somalia when its Israeli private security forces exchanged fire with the bandits and drove them away, the commander said Sunday.

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