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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Interesting...



    Now, just in case folks start believing this is just a political stunt by the President, watch this video from President Obama's 2011 State of the Union Address.

    You can't say he was just blowing smoke. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. Now, let's see if these "anti-big government" Republicans will step up to the plate or come up with some clever argument along the lines of "he's trying to get rid of the wrong government agencies! He should be trying to disband the EPA, Dept of Education, Commerce Dept," or something like that. Already, Speaker Boehner's spokesman had this to say:



    Regardless, in case some of you forget just how vehemently your side dinged the President over the size and complexity of government, remember this government/health care organization chart?
    If Obama were serious about reducing the size of government, he would gain more credibility if he proposed eliminating the whole Obamacare structure. If he did that, then even I might believe him.
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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    If he was serious he wouldn't be demanding a trillion more in debt. He's had plenty of time to demand that the actions of his debt commission be acted upon. He's ignored them.

    Sorry, he can't get the upper hand in anything as he is not a serious person.

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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If he was serious he wouldn't be demanding a trillion more in debt. He's had plenty of time to demand that the actions of his debt commission be acted upon. He's ignored them.

    Sorry, he can't get the upper hand in anything as he is not a serious person.
    The debt commission did not produce consensus recommendations. Nonetheless, many of their ideas did make it into discussions during the debt ceiling "negotiations". Republicans would never accept their revenue enhancement recommendations.

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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Surely, you heard the sarcasm and scorn in my use of the word "pundit".

    Anyway, let's see how Republicans twist this restructuring request.
    Real Republicans do not want to twist or spin this idea at all. The true Republicans want to cut spending and reduce government.

    The real spin masters are the Democrats who will campaign on smaller government while actually working to increase the size, spending and influence of government.

    One would think that a real liberal would want a smaller government, if for no other reason, to get government out of their daily lives.
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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

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    Real Republicans do not want to twist or spin this idea at all. The true Republicans want to cut spending and reduce government.

    The real spin masters are the Democrats who will campaign on smaller government while actually working to increase the size, spending and influence of government.

    One would think that a real liberal would want a smaller government, if for no other reason, to get government out of their daily lives.
    No, you have it wrong.

    Real liberals want the government to take care of EVERYTHING in their lives.
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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

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    No, you have it wrong.

    Real liberals want the government to take care of EVERYTHING in their lives.
    You could be right but that makes no sense at all.

    Just what then is a liberal? Has the definition changed in the past 40 years?
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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    If Obama wants smaller government and consolidation, why doesn't he start in his own house? Since the first of the year, he has appointed two new czars, claiming that he could do this since congress is in recess, it isn't. He has created 50 new czar positions since coming to office. About half redundant. Of the remainder, many are of questionable usefulness. Do we really need a czar of Sudan? Shouldn't State be handling foreign affairs? Most of these were appointed without the benefit of hearings. Is it not reasonable to assume that they could be dismantled without Congress?

    The UHC alone establishes around 160 new agencies.

    This is just political smoke and mirrors.

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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    You could be right but that makes no sense at all.

    Just what then is a liberal? Has the definition changed in the past 40 years?
    I'm sure there are many definitions of a liberal...and I'm sure it has changed a number of times over the past 40 years. I like this one:

    2. liberal
    Liberal is a person with liberal views. However, an EXTREME liberal is the WORST type of person. To start with they brainwash people. Then they convince you that their pre made views they hand to you are open minded. They tell you to hate Republicans and everyone who thinks differently than you. They are the first to throw around the word racist. Most extreme liberal abuse minorities. They look for a group typically blacks or hispanics, convince them they are nothing and need the liberals to survive, then exploit them for political power. Extreme liberals are usually igorant but claim everyone else is. They pretend to be looking out for the people but are only looking out for themselves. Some day people will realize this is the truth.

    Now listen, I am only talking about EXTREME liberals. Liberals aren't great either but extreme are horrible Extreme republicans are just as bad. Extreme anything is bad. The moral of the story folks, stay middle of the road, don't completely trust any political group because hey, once you get far enough up in the line there is no difference in the groups they are all selfish and corrupt. Keep an open mind. Think for yourself. Don't believe everything you are told. Have fun. And pay attention to the details here before you flip on me.
    Urban Dictionary: liberal
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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    that is just nonsensical and silly. You quote something which is vague and non-specific and provides no verifiable evidence of its charges and allegations.
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    Re: Obama tries to seize the mantle of small government from Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    No, you have it wrong.

    Real liberals want the government to take care of EVERYTHING in their lives.
    Where do you get these silly pronouncements? It makes no sense at all and bears no relationship to reality.
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