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    Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    I just hope our government isn't stupid enough to give nukes to terrorist with the hope they can track it down.



    Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny - latimes.com
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    In the late summer of 2010, the ATF agent leading the failed Fast and Furious gun-smuggling operation in Arizona flew to Mexico City to help coordinate cross-border investigations of U.S. weapons used by Mexican drug cartels.

    Hope A. MacAllister wanted access to police and military vaults for American weapons recovered by Mexican authorities in raids and at crime scenes. She especially was interested in firearms from another ATF investigation, code-named White Gun, that she was running.

    Now members of Congress who have spent months scrutinizing the Fast and Furious debacle are seeking to determine whether White Gun was another weapons investigation gone wrong.

    "Apparently guns got away again," said one source close to the investigation, led by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista) and Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa). "How many got into Mexico, who knows?"

    Officials from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives declined to comment on whether any firearms were lost in White Gun. But unlike Fast and Furious, they vigorously defended the previously unreported White Gun operation as a well-managed investigation that produced three arrests and convictions.

    The three men "were looking to acquire military-grade weapons for a drug cartel," said an ATF official, who asked for anonymity because the case involves an undercover operation. "This was a classic example of bad guys showing up at a location to get the weapons they desire but getting arrested by law enforcement instead."

    In Fast and Furious, more than 1,700 firearms were lost after agents allowed illegal gun purchases in U.S. gun shops in hopes of tracking the weapons into Mexico. In White Gun, the ATF ran a traditional sting operation with undercover agents and confidential informants trying to snare suspects working for the Sinaloa drug cartel.

    According to internal ATF documents, including debriefing summaries and border task force overviews, White Gun and Fast and Furious both began in fall 2009, and the same ATF officials ran both cases.

    MacAllister was the lead agent. Her supervisor, David J. Voth, was head of the ATF's Group VII field office in Phoenix. His boss was William D. Newell, then the special agent in charge in Phoenix.
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    Re: Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    Doesn't really matter. The Fast and Furious investigation should have brought this Admin down to its knees with Holder resigning in disgrace. Sadly, due to a shielding media, it never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Doesn't really matter. The Fast and Furious investigation should have brought this Admin down to its knees with Holder resigning in disgrace. Sadly, due to a shielding media, it never happened.
    Probably explains why the media got its panties in a bunch over marines pissing on dead terrorists.Air non-news to fill the void so that there is no room for real news.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    I can't defend the Marines, but the incompetance of this Administration is embarrassing.
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    Re: Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    With all the scandals this administration has been involved in you'd certainly think there would be impeachment proceedings by now, but with weak leadership in the GOP House & Senate and a rubber stamp from the Socialist party I guess we will have to wait for the election. Of course there are so many Drones (kind of like the Walking dead) who will still vote for "Hugo" Obama we may see another 4 years of this stuff and the destruction of our country right before our very own eyes. As far as Eric Holder ever holding (pardon the pun) any investigations, he'd have to investigate himself first so dont bet on it.

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    Re: Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Probably explains why the media got its panties in a bunch over marines pissing on dead terrorists.Air non-news to fill the void so that there is no room for real news.

    Allen West says it best.....

    Allen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell'

    Allen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell'
    Daniel Halper
    January 13, 2012 1:37 PM


    Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the Marines' video, and has given us permission to publish it.

    “I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

    “All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

    “The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

    “As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

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    Re: Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Is that the same Alan West who was reprimanded for his lack of discipline in Iraq?

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    Re: Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Probably explains why the media got its panties in a bunch over marines pissing on dead terrorists.Air non-news to fill the void so that there is no room for real news.
    Funny, I had thought the same thing when the Marine/Pissing story got traction.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is that the same Alan West who was reprimanded for his lack of discipline in Iraq?
    Lack of discipline...no, political correct BS....yup.

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    Re: Another ATF weapons operation comes under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is that the same Alan West who was reprimanded for his lack of discipline in Iraq?
    Is he?...............
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is he?...............
    Yeah, I believe it's the same guy who was fined by the Army and relieved of his command.

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