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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Can't wait to see the replies to this.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It isn't mathematically possible to fix the deficit without raising taxes on the rich unless you're willing to completely destroy the country. 75% of people in this country say they support including revenues in a solution to the deficit, including mind you the majority of Republicans. You can't possibly compare that to a ridiculous stunt like the BBA. The GOP needs to accept that their super rich benefactors are going to have to chip in like everybody else or this can't get done. Period.
    Technically it is mathematically impossible to fix the deficit by raising taxes only on the rich, especially if Medicare costs are not addressed immediately. The 75% you speak of have been misled by the ‘tax the rich’ rhetoric. How do you think they will react when they find out that the ‘rich’ will include those with incomes as low as $30k? Remember the Bush tax cuts reduced the LOWEST bracket from 15% to 10% and if they sunset EVERYBODY gets a tax increase. This is what we will see at the end of this year! The question is how the Democrats will explain to those 75% how the ‘tax the rich’ rhetoric really meant everyone.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    So let me understand you correctly. Republican efforts at deficit reduction = irrational, impossible, political, posturing. Democrat efforts at deficit reduction = reasonable, fair, just, effective, correct.
    No, not all Republican deficit reduction efforts. By all means the proposals they have made many serious deficit reduction proposals. But you need to learn to be able to distinguish the real ones from the ones that are just designed to grandstand for voters. The ones that they know for an absolute fact will never stand any chance of passing like the BBA or the Ryan plan are indeed just political posturing so that they can say on their campaign ads that they fought against spending or whatever without actually having to do anything. This particular house majority has been really fond of those things. I don't know if they just think their base is stupider than previous politicians did or what, but it's really striking. But that doesn't mean that they aren't actually doing real proposals too. They are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Glad you've disavowed the claim that Obama is more concerned with deficit reduction than Republicans, that was starting to get absurd.
    What? No... He is more serious about deficit reduction than the Republicans for sure. I keep repeating this... Democrats, including Obama, are willing to work on the deficit on all three fronts. Republicans, only one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Hmmm, spending cuts = reduction in expenses. Tax hikes = projections of future revenues. Considering our most prized economists can't predict next quarter's GDP accurately, what makes you think our politically motivated federal government can accurately project revenues 10 years into the future?
    They can't very accurately. Not sure what your point is. Are you saying revenues are hard to predict, so we should just ignore them? Uh... Nah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    You claim the GOP postures whenever they propose anything serious yet believe that Democrats proposing equally radical ideas is honest reform. Something tells me you aren't being entirely honest with yourself.
    What equally radical ideas have the Democrats proposed? They haven't proposed anything as ridiculous as either the BBA or the Ryan plan.. Not even in that same ballpark.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Why is it that Republicans only care about debt reduction when they are out of power, but increase the debt when they are in power?
    The Tea party is a primarily Conservative movement. It arose because enough Conservatives felt that no one was attentive enough to small government. It primaried GOP incumbants.

    So, while the GOP needs more work, things are not as you so shallowly state. It is the liberals that want the bigger gubmit teat. All of them.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    "General" fast track was also about a specific -- but different power.
    Good grief. So what? It has nothing to do with the power being discussed here. I think you're so determined to score a point that you don't even know what you're arguing about anymore; you're just arguing.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What equally radical ideas have the Democrats proposed? They haven't proposed anything as ridiculous as either the BBA or the Ryan plan..
    Its impossible to tell as they (or you) have failed to substantiate their proposals with specificity. How's that coming?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Conspiracy theory? Really? REALLY? No, I feel that any plan/policy should be substantiated in writing. For instance, BHO provided a written proposed budget. You know the one that didn’t get one Yea vote in the Senate. Any article that states ‘According to senior administration officials’ or ‘the officials said’ I cannot take seriously without proof. I’m sure they have good intentions but I prefer to see it in writing.

    Also consider per your link:

    The president considers his call for tax changes to “start the debate”-
    Start for debate…really? This is the plan?

    1.2 trillion in discretionary cuts that were already enacted in the Budget Control Act passed by Congress
    It included cuts ALREADY PASSED??? Is this legitimate?
    You guys are so lazy! Just lazy! You would rather spend 10 minutes rambling conspiracy theories denying things that virtually every person in the country is aware happened than 10 seconds googling!

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...tteereport.pdf

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Good grief. So what? It has nothing to do with the power being discussed here. I think you're so determined to score a point that you don't even know what you're arguing about anymore; you're just arguing.
    I'm sorry if you're always wrong. Toughen up, girl.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Technically it is mathematically impossible to fix the deficit by raising taxes only on the rich, especially if Medicare costs are not addressed immediately.
    Right. We need to tax the rich AND cut domestic spending AND cut military spending.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    The 75% you speak of have been misled by the ‘tax the rich’ rhetoric. How do you think they will react when they find out that the ‘rich’ will include those with incomes as low as $30k? Remember the Bush tax cuts reduced the LOWEST bracket from 15% to 10% and if they sunset EVERYBODY gets a tax increase. This is what we will see at the end of this year! The question is how the Democrats will explain to those 75% how the ‘tax the rich’ rhetoric really meant everyone.
    The Democrats don't want to let the Bush tax cuts expire for everybody. They want to let the ones for the rich expire only and renew the ones for everybody else.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You guys are so lazy! Just lazy! You would rather spend 10 minutes rambling conspiracy theories denying things that virtually every person in the country is aware happened than 10 seconds googling!

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...tteereport.pdf
    Thank you for this. Undoubtedly the searches I performed resulted in returns that included the 2012 Budget proposal, quite embarrassing.

    Note the deficits (allowing ALL BTC's to sunset, continue budget control act, eliminate 'doc-fix') will reduce to $349b in 2018 before rising again. The total debt increase project by 2021 will be $4,687t. Table S-4. Does this sound good?

    Also consider the $4.4t claimed includes those savings already passed in the budget control act which is estimated at $1.2t so the $4.4 claimed is actually $3.2.

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