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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I've posted links to it several times... Besides, what's the problem? Is your google broken?

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...eduction-plan/
    No, I've seen all these posts. Note this one states 'President Obama will announce a deficit reduction plan'. You have proved nothing. I am not looking for an announcement but rather a summary with charts and figures. Anything else is merely useless talking points. My google works just fine. As I said previously, I have yet to find this 4.4t supported with specificity (Hannity's favorite word) and hope you could help.

    The question remains, should I continue to expect something?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    OH NO, conservatives applaud the idea but are just suspicious of the validity of the effort. I mean really, they project this to save $3 billion over 10 years…REALLY? What is that, if averaged annually, like 0.01% reduction in annual cost? Real serious deficit reduction! But heck I guess everything helps.
    It's 0.0085%
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Obama will not be our end. It will be the idiots that support him.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You have proved nothing. I am not looking for an announcement but rather a summary with charts and figures. Anything else is merely useless talking points.
    If you have some conspiracy theory, feel free to produce evidence for it. If you think the full text of the proposal would fuel your conspiracy theory, feel free and find that and use it as you see fit. Good luck with that.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I'm saying it was so clearly ridiculous that there is a 0% chance that they thought it would actually pass the constitutional amendment process. There is no way even one of them actually thought that would happen. So why did they waste all that time doing it? Just for politics.

    As for whether they are serious about deficit reduction, I think they are serious about reducing domestic spending, but not at all serious about the other 2/3 of deficit reduction- revenues and military spending cuts.
    So let me understand you correctly. Republican efforts at deficit reduction = irrational, impossible, political, posturing. Democrat efforts at deficit reduction = reasonable, fair, just, effective, correct. Glad you've disavowed the claim that Obama is more concerned with deficit reduction than Republicans, that was starting to get absurd.

    It isn't mathematically possible to fix the deficit without raising taxes on the rich unless you're willing to completely destroy the country. 75% of people in this country say they support including revenues in a solution to the deficit, including mind you the majority of Republicans. You can't possibly compare that to a ridiculous stunt like the BBA. The GOP needs to accept that their super rich benefactors are going to have to chip in like everybody else or this can't get done. Period.
    Hmmm, spending cuts = reduction in expenses. Tax hikes = projections of future revenues. Considering our most prized economists can't predict next quarter's GDP accurately, what makes you think our politically motivated federal government can accurately project revenues 10 years into the future?

    You claim the GOP postures whenever they propose anything serious yet believe that Democrats proposing equally radical ideas is honest reform. Something tells me you aren't being entirely honest with yourself.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If you have some conspiracy theory, feel free to produce evidence for it. If you think the full text of the proposal would fuel your conspiracy theory, feel free and find that and use it as you see fit. Good luck with that.
    He's pointing out the difference between a plan and a proposal. Do you understand the difference?
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    So let me understand you correctly. Republican efforts at deficit reduction = irrational, impossible, political, posturing. Democrat efforts at deficit reduction = reasonable, fair, just, effective, correct. Glad you've disavowed the claim that Obama is more concerned with deficit reduction than Republicans, that was starting to get absurd.
    Why is it that Republicans only care about debt reduction when they are out of power, but increase the debt when they are in power?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Why is it that Republicans only care about debt reduction when they are out of power, but increase the debt when they are in power?
    Good question, I wish it wasn't true.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If you have some conspiracy theory, feel free to produce evidence for it. If you think the full text of the proposal would fuel your conspiracy theory, feel free and find that and use it as you see fit. Good luck with that.
    Conspiracy theory? Really? REALLY? No, I feel that any plan/policy should be substantiated in writing. For instance, BHO provided a written proposed budget. You know the one that didn’t get one Yea vote in the Senate. Any article that states ‘According to senior administration officials’ or ‘the officials said’ I cannot take seriously without proof. I’m sure they have good intentions but I prefer to see it in writing.

    Also consider per your link:

    The president considers his call for tax changes to “start the debate”-
    Start for debate…really? This is the plan?

    1.2 trillion in discretionary cuts that were already enacted in the Budget Control Act passed by Congress
    It included cuts ALREADY PASSED??? Is this legitimate?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Good question, I wish it wasn't true.
    Yes, it would be nice as it would be nice to have anti-war democrats who were actually anti-war, not just anti-Republican war.

    Just imagine...

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