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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can you give some examples of Obama nefariously stuffing things with other things unrelated to the primary purpose? Would that be things like, e.g. including an oil pipeline approval deadline in a payroll tax bill?

    Can't wait to see the replies to this.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Its simple: if a republican did such a thing, as Reagan did (which he did): Pshh thats ok he is a good guy!
    But if a democrat such as Obama uses this power: Thats bad and unconstitutional, expanding gov is bad!

    Its simple people.... Come on.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Oh the utter hypocrisy of it all. If a Republican did this or proposed this it would be getting rave reviews from republicans and those on the right.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Seems like a good plan to me. If we're serious about streamlining the federal government, the executive is in a better position to do that than Congress. And, it still requires Congressional approval, so it isn't stripping them of any power or anything. The actual mergers he is proposing definitely make sense. Those are agencies that have largely overlapping areas that make it a pain for businesses to work with all of them.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its simple: if a republican did such a thing, as Reagan did (which he did): Pshh thats ok he is a good guy!
    But if a democrat such as Obama uses this power: Thats bad and unconstitutional, expanding gov is bad!

    Its simple people.... Come on.
    People who really have no idea what they're talking about usually look pretty silly when they try anyway, and this is no exception.

    Reagan didn't seek this power; it had existed for 50 years and expired while it he was in office, and he didn't seek to renew it. I don't even think he used it -- if you have examples of when he did, by all means, let's see them. (But of course every press item is quick to point out it "last existed" when Reagan was in office to make it appear that Obama wants something Reagan had, and any objection to it MUST then be partisan in nature.)

    Obama doesn't have the power to use; no one said it was "unconstitutional," and no one said anything about "expanding government." It's even about reducing government, which everyone has said they support.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    People who really have no idea what they're talking about usually look pretty silly when they try anyway, and this is no exception.

    Reagan didn't seek this power; it had existed for 50 years and expired while it he was in office, and he didn't seek to renew it. I don't even think he used it -- if you have examples of when he did, by all means, let's see them. (But of course every press item is quick to point out it "last existed" when Reagan was in office to make it appear that Obama wants something Reagan had, and any objection to it MUST then be partisan in nature.)

    Obama doesn't have the power to use; no one said it was "unconstitutional," and no one said anything about "expanding government." It's even about reducing government, which everyone has said they support.
    It must not be much of a power if the guy who got elected on the promise of shrinking government never even tried to use this tool for shrinking government.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It must not be much of a power if the guy who got elected on the promise of shrinking government never even tried to use this tool for shrinking government.
    Well, that doesn't follow, but even if it did . . . so?
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh the utter hypocrisy of it all. If a Republican did this or proposed this it would be getting rave reviews from republicans and those on the right.
    But Bush tried it in 2001 and 2005 unsuccessfully. Remind me again who was in the majority in Congress during that time...

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which is why it's most likely that this is a political ploy. By proposing the power instead of actual, specific consolidation, he gets to have the fight he wants without being pinned down to supporting any particular consolidation.

    I'd rather see what specifically he'd consolidate. My guess is, not too terribly much.
    He's already proposed one particular consolidation.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, this is just a crass political ploy. "Hey America, the Republican's don't want a smaller government see, they aren't giving me the ability to get the job done for you!" OR if the power is grants, it also requires the Congress APPROVE said plans Obama proposes, which means he can slip in things that just won't fly, and say "See look America, I tried but the GOP is standing in the way of better Government"

    Brilliant from a political stand point, disgusting from any other. Obama's abuses of power demand he NOT be given MORE power. Especially after he **** on the Constitution by declaring he had the power to claim when Congress is in session or not. That's not how Separation of Powers works.

    Brilliant political manuever.

    Love 'em or hate 'em.....The Obama crew (obama, plouffe, axlerod, "alinsky") are major league political ninjas. All sincerity. These guys are good.


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