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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Let's go with track record, Obama's not got a good one, it's unnecessary this can be done without giving the Executive branch MORE power and frankly I don't trust the man's motives. He says he wants to do something we can all support, a leaner more efficient Government... where is his track record of this?

    He HAS a track record of setting up "See the GOP isn't working with me", his campaign is quite clearly geared to play the "Run against a do nothing Congress" route... So call me crass all you want, I'm going on Obama's track record and his track record says "Political gamesmanship" not "shrink Government"
    Ok fine, but what about the rest of my point? Why can't Congress simply vote no on a scheming Obama plan and then pass their own plan without the "catch" or whatever it is you are worried about and thereby escape ridicule? In fact, they could probably pass their own plan with their own "catch" and force Obama to veto it, which would make him look pretty stupid.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    I agree with the general notion of what Obama is stating he wants to do.

    I agree with the general notion of MrV concerning his actual intent and plan regarding why he wants to do it.

    I'm relatively okay with giving him the ability, and will fully support the congress if Obama then stuffs these actions with a plethora of things unrelated to the primary purpose in nothing but a partisan political ploy. And if he pulls it, which I would fully expect him to do based on his history, I'd condemn him for being dishonest and deceitful not to mention frothing hypocrite (That thing liberals claim they hate) given his stance on "changing politics as usual".

    If he actually doesn't stand by his normal MO, and actually uses it just for the reason he states and without playing political games, then I'd applaud him for it.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, this is just a crass political ploy. "Hey America, the Republican's don't want a smaller government see, they aren't giving me the ability to get the job done for you!" OR if the power is grants, it also requires the Congress APPROVE said plans Obama proposes, which means he can slip in things that just won't fly, and say "See look America, I tried but the GOP is standing in the way of better Government"

    Brilliant from a political stand point, disgusting from any other. Obama's abuses of power demand he NOT be given MORE power. Especially after he **** on the Constitution by declaring he had the power to claim when Congress is in session or not. That's not how Separation of Powers works.
    Have you read any other take on this story, or are you just sticking with what Fox News tells you to think?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Interestingly enough, these are the same, exact articles from two different news organizations. Lazy journalist or are they somehow connected?

    Obama Elevates Small Business Administration Head To Cabinet, Seeks Authority To Merge Agencies | Fox News

    Obama seeks power to merge trade, commerce agencies - chicagotribune.com
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think the difference is this would require a vote within 90 days.
    That's not quite what it's cracked up to be.


    Obama can currently propose whatever he wants, but Congress is under no obligation to consider it.
    Which is why it's most likely that this is a political ploy. By proposing the power instead of actual, specific consolidation, he gets to have the fight he wants without being pinned down to supporting any particular consolidation.

    I'd rather see what specifically he'd consolidate. My guess is, not too terribly much.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    I have a question about the procedure for this Congressional up-or-down vote:

    If one branch of Congress...say, the Senate...doesn't bring it up for a vote, what happens? Do Obama's merges happen after 90 days?
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    It certainly appears political. The same was tried in 2001 and in 2005:

    http://www.oswego.edu/~ruddy/Educati...0Authority.pdf

    http://wagner.nyu.edu/performance/fi...0AUTHORITY.pdf

    but I could find no finite result of the efforts other than the obvious.

    The action currently being considered was thoroughly researched last year:

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41841.pdf

    One wonders if this is not a new idea why the timing of promoting such action.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post

    One wonders if this is not a new idea why the timing of promoting such action.
    It was something he brought up last year. It's been researched and now is the time to act, but I don't doubt there is a political element to it. Right before the State of The Union address and of course the election.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ...if Obama then stuffs these actions with a plethora of things unrelated to the primary purpose in nothing but a partisan political ploy. And if he pulls it, which I would fully expect him to do based on his history, I'd condemn him for being dishonest and deceitful not to mention frothing hypocrite (That thing liberals claim they hate) given his stance on "changing politics as usual".
    Can you give some examples of Obama nefariously stuffing things with other things unrelated to the primary purpose? Would that be things like, e.g. including an oil pipeline approval deadline in a payroll tax bill?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I have a question about the procedure for this Congressional up-or-down vote:

    If one branch of Congress...say, the Senate...doesn't bring it up for a vote, what happens? Do Obama's merges happen after 90 days?
    It's a good question -- I would dispute the constitutionality of that, though.
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