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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

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    Oh great, so Chinese hookers will be as drunk as Georgia legislators?


    That was pretty good, I think I actually snorted.....heh, heh....


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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

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    I can find plenty of things to cut, it just wouldn't be anywhere near the 36% required to balance spending vs. revenues. By dodging the question I asked, it appears you can't either. Is it safe to assume you now acknowledge the need to increase revenues as well as cut spending?
    I would eliminate or cut income security, medicare, energy, education, and several other departments. These should be the responsibility of the individual States.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The report was by the National Priorities Project, not Huffington Post, and is just one more source to back up the need for eliminating the tax cuts for the wealthy.
    Yes, i acknowledged the NPP and only sites like the Huffington Post would bother publishing it.
    Indeed! Over a 30 year period that is over $3 trillion dollars! From the same article by another source: "The cost of tax cuts for upper income earners is the same as the Social Security shortfall for the next 75 years, the Center for Budget and Priorities estimates."
    And the US would still be $12 trillion in debt! And that is assuming money stays in the country. As you might know corporations are already leaving, manufacturing ids dying out and Detroit is more the future than than past.

    Yes, I do see, that is why the elimination of the tax cuts for the wealthy will have to be coupled with huge cuts in our excessive military spending and multiple optional wars, as well as reform of our health care system.
    You mean BHO's idea of reform? Are you serious?

    We know from experience its not being invested in jobs in this country, so who gives a **** what they would be doing with it overseas to line their own profits?
    There are already complaints of companies and corporations leaving. I don;t see why this trend won't continue.

    It is something you might consider. The middle class agreed to the tax cuts for the wealthy for the last decade on the promise it would create jobs.
    The middle class decided no such thing.

    Where are the jobs?
    They're leaving because the country is poorly run. That has happened to all countries throughout history and you might just have to get used to it.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I can find plenty of things to cut, it just wouldn't be anywhere near the 36% required to balance spending vs. revenues. By dodging the question I asked, it appears you can't either. Is it safe to assume you now acknowledge the need to increase revenues as well as cut spending?
    The Bowles-Simpson Commission recommended a 3:1 ratio, cuts to revenue increases. And they laid out the plan. They were Obama's commission. He ignored them.

    So what is the Democrat plan besides class-envy and being reckless ?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I can find plenty of things to cut, it just wouldn't be anywhere near the 36% required to balance spending vs. revenues. By dodging the question I asked, it appears you can't either. Is it safe to assume you now acknowledge the need to increase revenues as well as cut spending?
    Further, you don't have to "cut" a damned thing. All you need to do is increase spending by only 2% per year, and we are balanced by 2017. That's a "cut" in liberal Democrat lala free-stuff land though. Democrats make cutting cheese a "blame the rich Republicans " issue though, so progress seems futile until Democrtats are out of office.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is some evidence, from none other than Reagan's former economic advisor, that the debt would be around $2 trillion less than its current level if the top effective tax rate had been frozen in 1986.
    Yes, he did say that but he also said:

    Of course, these are not hard numbers. If the effective tax rate had stayed at 33.1 percent on the top 1 percent of taxpayers all these years, their behavior would undoubtedly have changed.

    And it probably would have been impractical to maintain a higher rate on just the top 1 percent of taxpayers without having had higher rates on many of those below that percentile. But it does show the order of magnitude of how much revenue has been sacrificed from tax cuts on those with very high incomes.


    So I guess we will never know...cherry pick much?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And the US would still be $12 trillion in debt! And that is assuming money stays in the country. As you might know corporations are already leaving, manufacturing ids dying out and Detroit is more the future than than past.
    If you are not interested in cutting the National debt by $3 trillion dollars you are in a heap big hypocritical pickle then.



    You mean BHO's idea of reform? Are you serious?
    Its not BHO's idea, we are the only industrialized nation left on the planet with an antiquated health care system that is the most expensive on the planet.



    There are already complaints of companies and corporations leaving. I don;t see why this trend won't continue.
    Good riddance!!! Of what use are they, if they are not producing jobs and paying their fair share of the taxes.


    The middle class decided no such thing.

    The middle class are the ones who voted in representatives that cut the taxes for the wealthy because they were told that investment would trickle down to them in jobs. We now have a decade of experience that shows us that was a lie.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes, he did say that but he also said:

    Of course, these are not hard numbers. If the effective tax rate had stayed at 33.1 percent on the top 1 percent of taxpayers all these years, their behavior would undoubtedly have changed.

    And it probably would have been impractical to maintain a higher rate on just the top 1 percent of taxpayers without having had higher rates on many of those below that percentile. But it does show the order of magnitude of how much revenue has been sacrificed from tax cuts on those with very high incomes.


    So I guess we will never know...cherry pick much?
    That's why I included the link -- so you could read it for yourself. Also why I said "some evidence". Nitpick much?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nitpick much?
    Only to the extent that I learned from you...

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The Bowles-Simpson Commission recommended a 3:1 ratio, cuts to revenue increases. And they laid out the plan. They were Obama's commission. He ignored them.

    So what is the Democrat plan besides class-envy and being reckless ?
    "Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) walks away from debt ceiling talks with Biden after refusing to consider any tax increases. The administration had offered $2.4 trillion in spending cuts for $400 billion in taxes, an 83:17 split."
    How Republican Tax Intransigence Sank The Super Committee: A Timeline | ThinkProgress

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