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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There's nothing stopping him from proposing such consolidation now. There doesn't need to be a new "power" to do this.
    I think the difference is this would require a vote within 90 days. Obama can currently propose whatever he wants, but Congress is under no obligation to consider it.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Barring the fact I'm not too familiar with all the details of this deal, as a conservative I fully support it. It may be a political ploy by the President, but who cares, we are achieving the same goal of making government smaller, more efficient, and more effective. From what I've heard so far the move does have bipartisan support, so hopefully this won't get entrenched in a deeper fight about specifics and pork.

    +1 to Obama on this one for me.

    EDIT: Gotta love a political climate where all sides of the political spectrum are in favor of cutting costs by making the government smaller.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, this is just a crass political ploy. "Hey America, the Republican's don't want a smaller government see, they aren't giving me the ability to get the job done for you!" OR if the power is grants, it also requires the Congress APPROVE said plans Obama proposes, which means he can slip in things that just won't fly, and say "See look America, I tried but the GOP is standing in the way of better Government"

    Brilliant from a political stand point, disgusting from any other. Obama's abuses of power demand he NOT be given MORE power. Especially after he **** on the Constitution by declaring he had the power to claim when Congress is in session or not. That's not how Separation of Powers works.
    What is your problem with this from a policy perspective? That Obama could "slip in" something and thereby trap Republicans into voting against it? Aren't Congressmen constantly don't the same thing to each other? I don't really see what the problem is. If Republicans don't like Obama's proposal they can vote no and then vote on their own counterproposal. If they want to vote no and then sit on their asses and do nothing they deserve to be ridiculed as do-nothing hypocrits.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    I support overlapping agencies being combined or just simply removed. I support this regardless of who the president is or who supports it.Hopefully they don't put in any riders/pork or any other unrelated bills.



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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    So let me see if I have this correct. Republicans are angry because Obama is... not going around the checks and balances system?

    At this point, if it turned out that Obama was Jesus, you guys would all become Jews in order to oppose him.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So let me see if I have this correct. Republicans are angry because Obama is... not going around the checks and balances system?

    At this point, if it turned out that Obama was Jesus, you guys would all become Jews in order to oppose him.
    From what I've read so far, Republicans support this move.

    Republicans said they liked the idea of streamlining government, a sentiment that could increase the chances of action this year.

    "Americans want a government that's simpler, streamlined, and secure," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) "We'll be sure to give it a careful review once the White House provides us with the details of what it is he wants to do."
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...834894658.html

    But one Republican leadership aide said both parties might resist Mr. Obama's proposal to force Congress to accept or reject an administration plan without the chance to alter it.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Barring the fact I'm not too familiar with all the details of this deal, as a conservative I fully support it. It may be a political ploy by the President, but who cares, we are achieving the same goal of making government smaller, more efficient, and more effective. From what I've heard so far the move does have bipartisan support, so hopefully this won't get entrenched in a deeper fight about specifics and pork.

    +1 to Obama on this one for me.

    EDIT: Gotta love a political climate where all sides of the political spectrum are in favor of cutting costs by making the government smaller.
    I agree, and even though it does seem to be done for mostly political reasons, the fact it is getting done is good enough for me.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What is your problem with this from a policy perspective? That Obama could "slip in" something and thereby trap Republicans into voting against it? Aren't Congressmen constantly don't the same thing to each other? I don't really see what the problem is. If Republicans don't like Obama's proposal they can vote no and then vote on their own counterproposal. If they want to vote no and then sit on their asses and do nothing they deserve to be ridiculed as do-nothing hypocrits.

    Let's go with track record, Obama's not got a good one, it's unnecessary this can be done without giving the Executive branch MORE power and frankly I don't trust the man's motives. He says he wants to do something we can all support, a leaner more efficient Government... where is his track record of this?

    He HAS a track record of setting up "See the GOP isn't working with me", his campaign is quite clearly geared to play the "Run against a do nothing Congress" route... So call me crass all you want, I'm going on Obama's track record and his track record says "Political gamesmanship" not "shrink Government"
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Joining the chorus saying I don't care who is doing it or how as long as the blockade Congress has put on any progress toward raising revenue and lowering cost is not able to block progress.

    This year and in 2014, we need to vote out a lot of the Congressmen that have helped maintain the blockade since Obama took office and demand both parties start working toward forging solutions instead of political posturing.

    Personally, I would like to see recalls used more to oust those that form blockades to anything getting done. Realizing they could be removed in mid-term would force these bozos to work toward solving the many problems we are facing.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Let's go with track record, Obama's not got a good one, it's unnecessary this can be done without giving the Executive branch MORE power and frankly I don't trust the man's motives. He says he wants to do something we can all support, a leaner more efficient Government... where is his track record of this?

    He HAS a track record of setting up "See the GOP isn't working with me", his campaign is quite clearly geared to play the "Run against a do nothing Congress" route... So call me crass all you want, I'm going on Obama's track record and his track record says "Political gamesmanship" not "shrink Government"
    I generally agree with that and how this plays out remains to be seen. However, I don't think opposing it purely on speculation of what he might do is healthy as you could use that argument against ANYTHING he tries to do. Generally, I'm in favor of giving the POTUS more power to make moves like this as Congress has proved absolutely ineffective at getting anything significant done. If a President wants to act like a CEO in order to make government smaller and more efficient, than I support it. The bureaucracy of government is the major reason why nothing can change in the first place.

    I feel if this was a Republican president you would feel the same way. Hopefully this move sets a precedent for similar action to be taken by Romney in 2013.
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