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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
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    I repeat, there is nothing there. It is meaningless and a waste of time to discuss it.

    Go by actions not words.

    There are just too many Americans falling for this claptrap. It should stop.
    Why don't you just say what you mean? No matter what Obama does or proposes, you are against it.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why don't you just say what you mean? No matter what Obama does or proposes, you are against it.
    No, Obama is a political whore inept jackass. Why don't you just admit that?

    Of course, that is to admit that his followers are none too bright.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No, Obama is a political whore inept jackass. Why don't you just admit that?

    Of course, that is to admit that his followers are none too bright.
    You are no different than Grant. All of your comments start with the premise that Obama is bad and you fit your arguments around that.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    So you can't debate the point, and must resort to personal BS. What a shock !!!

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well but aren't being a good policeman and being a good soldier totally different things? A policeman is there largely to establish justice. Due process, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, relationships with the community, insight from the community on what is going on in the area, etc. Collecting evidence to prove guilt, investigating. A soldier is there to establish control of an area with force. They can't take time to collect evidence first, they need to make blunt calculations in split seconds if they're going to survive. An effective soldier does not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt or due process. Somebody who does one of those things perfectly is doing the other thing terribly. I don't think it's a matter of being good Marines first, policemen second. It's more like an entirely different job. Some situations call for a soldier, others call for a policeman. How to sort that out I don't know, but it seems like a problem to me.
    DEA agents have started deploying to Afghanistan, however, they are hamstringed because Obama (yes, him, not any DOD personell) won't let us eradicate opium. Afghanistan produces approximately 95% of the worlds opium. Make no mistake, this stuff isn't being used for anything but illegal purposes. It fuels the Taliban machine. What are we doing about it? Walking right past it and acting like it doesn't exist. We should be burning it, offering free wheat to them (paid for by Afghani gov't), and buying it to be used on our bases over there. While we are doing that, we should be establishing a method of export for it. This would help immensely.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Part of what I think the problem was is that the military leadership, at least in the early years of the war, seems to have thought of it like their role was purely to accomplish military objectives and somebody else would be coming along to deal with "civilian stuff". For example, think of the billions of dollars in damage that was done with all the looting. There were a number of statements from top military leadership basically saying that they didn't think it was any of their business. They didn't seem to appreciate that they were not just a force of people who were there to topple the previous government of Iraq, they were the new government of Iraq. All the responsibilities of a government fell to them and they didn't take them on at all at first, and even in the end just barely. And I can't blame them. The military isn't set up to provide all the services and capabilities of a government. But that's what we need. A military that can topple a government and immediately step in to provide at least the basic governmental functions. I don't think we have that yet.
    Its not our job though. Think about the huge machine you are talking about. We could establish our own government with the setup you're talking about. Literally, the military could start a gov't from the ground up with what you're talking about. That's dangerous. Also, we have civilians that are supposed to do all that gov't crap. They just sucked at it, to put it plainly. They still suck at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I blame Bush for the failures of the early years in Iraq. It's an outgrowth of the naive assumption many conservatives make that something like a thriving, peaceful, democratic, capitalist society is basically the default. If you remove oppression, that's what you get. Well that isn't true. If you remove an oppressive regime, you get anarchy, starvation, disease, chaos, terrorism and economic collapse. You only get the thriving society by building it one block at a time. If we want a military that is going to be able to tear down oppressive regimes, we also need a military that is capable of standing up something workable to replace it very fast.
    You had to bring the conservative thing in huh? Who's a bigger failure at "their" war? Bush or Obama? That's an easy answer, if you ask me. Obama has NO CLUE what we're doing in Afghan. I have served in both theaters. Iraq had a purpose, we knew what it was, and we got up every morning (if we slept) to go accomplish it. In Afghan, its just beating your head against a wall. No purpose, no endstate, nothing.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    So you can't debate the point, and must resort to personal BS. What a shock !!!
    I'm supposed to debate the "point" that Obama is a whore and a jackass?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    DEA agents have started deploying to Afghanistan, however, they are hamstringed because Obama (yes, him, not any DOD personell) won't let us eradicate opium. Afghanistan produces approximately 95% of the worlds opium. Make no mistake, this stuff isn't being used for anything but illegal purposes. It fuels the Taliban machine. What are we doing about it? Walking right past it and acting like it doesn't exist. We should be burning it, offering free wheat to them (paid for by Afghani gov't), and buying it to be used on our bases over there. While we are doing that, we should be establishing a method of export for it. This would help immensely.
    Any idea why Obama hasn't ordered all the opium burned? Is it because he' pro heroin and/or pro Taliban? Or is there perhaps another reason?

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Any idea why Obama hasn't ordered all the opium burned? Is it because he' pro heroin and/or pro Taliban? Or is there perhaps another reason?
    I don't entertain your questions anymore because they aren't honest and you do not seek debate. You seek argument. I've better things to do. I'm in the middle of a good debate with teamosil. Hang around and maybe you'll learn something.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Joining the chorus saying I don't care who is doing it or how as long as the blockade Congress has put on any progress toward raising revenue and lowering cost is not able to block progress.

    This year and in 2014, we need to vote out a lot of the Congressmen that have helped maintain the blockade since Obama took office and demand both parties start working toward forging solutions instead of political posturing.

    Personally, I would like to see recalls used more to oust those that form blockades to anything getting done. Realizing they could be removed in mid-term would force these bozos to work toward solving the many problems we are facing.
    Excellent idea!!!
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm supposed to debate the "point" that Obama is a whore and a jackass?
    Who said that ? What you did do is the same-old same-old useless libtard attack on the poster.

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