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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Thank you for this. Undoubtedly the searches I performed resulted in returns that included the 2012 Budget proposal, quite embarrassing.

    Note the deficits (allowing ALL BTC's to sunset, continue budget control act, eliminate 'doc-fix') will reduce to $349b in 2018 before rising again. The total debt increase project by 2021 will be $4,687t. Table S-4. Does this sound good?

    Also consider the $4.4t claimed includes those savings already passed in the budget control act which is estimated at $1.2t so the $4.4 claimed is actually $3.2.
    Projections going out to 2021 are about as useful as a magic eightball. Remember when the CBO pojected a 2001 - 2011 surplus of $5.6 trillion?

    What happened there? Hint: rhymes with tush.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    But you need to learn to be able to distinguish the real ones from the ones that are just designed to grandstand for voters. The ones that they know for an absolute fact will never stand any chance of passing like the BBA or the Ryan plan are indeed just political posturing so that they can say on their campaign ads that they fought against spending or whatever without actually having to do anything. This particular house majority has been really fond of those things. I don't know if they just think their base is stupider than previous politicians did or what, but it's really striking. But that doesn't mean that they aren't actually doing real proposals too. They are.
    What equally radical ideas have the Democrats proposed? They haven't proposed anything as ridiculous as either the BBA or the Ryan plan.. Not even in that same ballpark.
    Again, thanks for providing the resource. To the ‘know for absolute fact will never stand a chance’, you know the President’s proposal included:

    Payroll tax cut
    Enable SBA access to capital
    Extend 100% expensing
    Prevent teachers/Firemen layoffs
    Tax credits for career readiness
    Promote veteran hiring
    Modernize 3500 schools
    Investments in road/rail/airports
    Establish infrastructure bank
    Promote employment rehabilitating homes/business/communities
    Expand nationwide wireless internet
    Preserve UI benefits
    Tax credits for hiring long term unemployed
    Invest in low income youth
    Combat unemployment discrimination
    Help homeowner refinance

    These are just in the American’s job act only and do not include the 17 pages of crap on ‘Mandatory savings’, 9 pages of ‘Health Care’ and 8 pages of ‘Tax reform’.

    Does this even sound like it had even a remote chance of passing? Really? A lot of this stuff sounds real good but we must realize we cannot afford it. I would seriously question if it would pass in '09 when there were 60 Dems in the Senate.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Projections going out to 2021 are about as useful as a magic eightball. Remember when the CBO pojected a 2001 - 2011 surplus of $5.6 trillion?

    What happened there? Hint: rhymes with tush.
    EXACTLY my point. I thank you for that. Also consider using the same magic eightball to predict growth which is the basis for their savings.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    1) I applaud Obama for trying to reach across the aisle. I don't like the 90 day thing though. I think that is a subtle way of saying he doesn't like the time limit put on the Keystone Pipeline. However, the Keystone Pipeline is time sensitive, this issue is not. That is purely my theory though, I have no proof of that. I also suspect that more will be written into the bill than just consolidation. If he tries that, I think it would be a huge blow to the government in general, not just left or right. Someone will be the bad guy and we know who that will be.

    2) In addition to consolidation, I think abolishing some agencies would be good. Some suggestions are:
    TSA: 8.1 billion- HOLY CRAP!!! Privatize this right away.
    National Labor Relations Board: 2010 Budget: $287 Million Push this to states and stop its ability to do what it did to Boeing. The Fed should pass general guidelines that each state must provide, then the state has the right to make it more strict, but not more lenient.
    Agricultural Marketing Service: 2010 Budget: 3.1 Million
    National Endowment of the Arts: 2010 Budget: $167.5 Million
    National Endowment for the Humanities: 2011 Budget: $161.3 million
    US Commission of Fine Arts: 2010: 1.2 Million
    The last 3 are especially infuriating. Why, in a recession, do we need this stuff? I know the money is a drop in the bucket compared to the deficit. Any little bit helps though.

    3) One problem with this. By consolidating these agencies, we put more power in fewer people's hands. That scares me with any gov't, left or right. We've all seen what happens when a few have power instead of many independent checks. Thats why abolishment works better than consolidation.

    Why do conservatives feel the need to be long ball hitters all the time? When did we become so grandiose? Liberals (of either party) use the slow, steady method of getting these ridiculous agencies and this ridiculous spending passed. You hear congressmen say it all the time. "That one little program won't make a difference." Every little bit helps when we have the deficit we do. We, as conservatives, need to take advantage of this opening Obama has given. We need to be "gracious" that he has come to the middle. We need to ask him to alter the time limit he has set to a more reasonable time. I would offer 180 days and hope he comes to 120. That gives them 4 months. Plenty of time. Offer that if he proposes the consolidations he wants, the Congress must maintain the power to execute them, and will offer a counter plan to him by 90 days. That gives him another 30 days to look it over, equaling a solution in 120 days. No public outings of "Obama wanted this guy to be here or that guy to have that power". Boehner needs to keep his mouth shut, work on the deal, and get it to him in 90 days, to meet the 120 day limit. I am a Tea Partier. I rail against Obama with every chance I get. However, we need to do what's good for the country and exploit this opening he is using to get re-elected and make some real cuts. Once the deal is done, and Obama is done with his predictable posturing about why they didn't consolidate as much as he wanted, go public with the differences. Tea Partiers in the House need to grow up and learn some lessons from Marco Rubio and Rand Paul. Both reasonable guys who get things done without sacrificing their integrity. In simple terms, become more cunning and stealth rather than blunt and loud.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm sorry if you're always wrong. Toughen up, girl.
    Yeah. You need to make a relevant point for that to happen.
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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    IMO, Obama or perhaps one should say Axlerod has as usual come up with yet another hopey changey thingy.

    IF Obama was that anxious to reduce size of Government, why did he not propose this 3 years ago when first elected.

    Personally I am extremely averse to giving any President more power than they already have, as usually they take the extra power and before much time has passed, they make themselves a permanent Leader, in much the same vein that Chavez has done in Venezuela.

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Again, thanks for providing the resource. To the ‘know for absolute fact will never stand a chance’, you know the President’s proposal included:

    Payroll tax cut
    Enable SBA access to capital
    Extend 100% expensing
    Prevent teachers/Firemen layoffs
    Tax credits for career readiness
    Promote veteran hiring
    Modernize 3500 schools
    Investments in road/rail/airports
    Establish infrastructure bank
    Promote employment rehabilitating homes/business/communities
    Expand nationwide wireless internet
    Preserve UI benefits
    Tax credits for hiring long term unemployed
    Invest in low income youth
    Combat unemployment discrimination
    Help homeowner refinance

    These are just in the American’s job act only and do not include the 17 pages of crap on ‘Mandatory savings’, 9 pages of ‘Health Care’ and 8 pages of ‘Tax reform’.

    Does this even sound like it had even a remote chance of passing? Really? A lot of this stuff sounds real good but we must realize we cannot afford it. I would seriously question if it would pass in '09 when there were 60 Dems in the Senate.
    Most those things either were actually passed separately or were concessions to the Republicans... The rest seem pretty non-controversial like combating unemployment discrimination.. So yeah, I don't see why that would not have a chance of passing...

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Most those things either were actually passed separately or were concessions to the Republicans... The rest seem pretty non-controversial like combating unemployment discrimination.. So yeah, I don't see why that would not have a chance of passing...
    First note that the list only a partial summary of one section of the proposed act. You are correct that many of the things were passed separately but that proves your point, BHO presented a proposal and had to know the 'absolute fact will never stand a chance’. In your words it was 'indeed just political posturing...'

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    First note that the list only a partial summary of one section of the proposed act. You are correct that many of the things were passed separately but that proves your point, BHO presented a proposal and had to know the 'absolute fact will never stand a chance’. In your words it was 'indeed just political posturing...'
    Not sure where you're getting that from. The fact that they were actually passed shows that they not only stood a chance of passing, but they actually did pass. That's even better than a chance!

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    Re: Obama seeks 'consolidation authority' to merge agencies

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Not sure where you're getting that from. The fact that they were actually passed shows that they not only stood a chance of passing, but they actually did pass. That's even better than a chance!
    Oh, sorry you're right. BHO had absolute confidence in the proposal as an entire package he broke it into pieces and merely passed a few of the components.

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