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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Silly. Everybody knows Global Warming is a Russian plot to corrupt our precious bodily fluids, in tandem with "fluoridation."
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    How about overall conversion efficiency numbers. The petroleum conversion trail is about 13% efficiency, and the 87% goes to the atmosphere as heat , co2, and water vapor, and other gases. Coal makes steam and electricity at about 30% efficiency and the smokestack sends water vapor, co2, and nasty gases into the atmosphere and that means 70% of the energy goes out the smokestack. Natural gas generates steam electric at 30% efficiency and sends hthe other 70% into the atmosphere as water vapor, co2, and other gases (considered very clean). Nukes make steam electricity at 30% efficiency and the other 70% is waste heat as water vapor to the atmosphere and the radioactive waste is long term danger.
    Ok , I'm not just jackin' my fingers. We are discussing some terrible efficiency problems. Install wind, (not big towers), PV, solar thermal on individual homes as a National program. Makes manufacturing jobs, makes labor jobs, improves efficiency, eliminates some huge losses, and creates maintenance jobs. Frees money into the local economy and it incorporates all energy local. This does hurt existing Distributed energy (Centralized Collection of Monies) and these people can afford to buy some politicians and they do. The Distributed Energy Utilities prevent meaningful energy alternatives. Those giant windmills are not about renewable energy, but a big money scheme that sounds like Renewable energy but protects the Distributed energy monopoly.

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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Do people still believe in Global Warming?
    Believe? Faith? I wish we had something like science and evidence. Faith is so, . . . . religous. Perhaps GW should be discussed in context of science, and maybe deniers can go to religion class?


    Just a suggestion.

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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah! More electric cars!
    What about the pollution that will be caused when those electric ars burn people's houses down?
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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Believe? Faith? I wish we had something like science and evidence. Faith is so, . . . . religous. Perhaps GW should be discussed in context of science, and maybe deniers can go to religion class?


    Just a suggestion.

    Scientists are paid billions to research global warming, there's no way their conclusions would be motivated by all that research money.
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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    How about we power the world with genetically engineered electric eels

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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, some guys seem to blame every other issue on the gays, why not this one I guess?

    But if gays cause global warming, and global warming isn't real, does that mean gay marriage is a scientific hoax?
    Gay marriage IS a hoax.
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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    I still don't understand why humanity doesn't see the potential of the sun, and wants the highest option with regards to energy investment: nuclear power. Not to mention nuclear waste. Those facilities will eventually break down you know. I mean, sure thousands of years, but who cares right? As long as I get my coffee in the morning with high definition TV I'm alright.

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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Scientists are paid billions to research global warming, there's no way their conclusions would be motivated by all that research money.
    Scientists are paid billions by energy corporations to produce AGW papers with preconceived results. The Corporations have the purse strings in this matter.

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    Re: EPA: Power plants main global warming culprits

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What about the pollution that will be caused when those electric ars burn people's houses down?
    Hmmm. Let's consider this simply shall we? Take a couple lithium batteries and place them in a shotglass. Fill another shotglass with automotive gas. Touch each for just an instant with an open flame like a match. Which will catch fire?

    Okay, in all honesty it's more complicated than that. So let's consider real-world, practical examples.

    Fires caused by gas-burning vehicles in general use:

    Highway fires only from 2008 - 2010:
    NFPA :: Research :: Fire statistics :: The U.S. fire problem
    2008 207,000
    2009 190,500
    2010 184,500
    Total: 581,500

    Fires caused by electric vehicles in totality:
    Well, it's really hard to find info on this. Much is made about the TESTING with the Chevy Volt where they were trying to force a failure. But I finally did find something:
    EV-Related Fires Ignite Media Firestorm; Gas Stations Burn Ignored : Greentech Media
    So that’s four publicized fires involving plug-in cars [from 2008 to 2011] -- two of them involving aftermarket retrofits, one ruled out as a cause of the fire, and one still under investigation. In other words, four plug-in fires, out of about 15,000 plug-in vehicles now on U.S. roads, or a rough statistic of one fire for every 3,750 plug-in cars.
    Recalls of gas-burning vehicles relating to fire:
    Hysteria Over Chevy Volt Fires Motivated by Politics | PluginCars.com

    On August 22 of this year, Audi began a recall of their 2011 & 2012 R8 Spyder vehicles. It seems a fuel line can rub against a heat shield in the engine compartment and catch FIRE.

    A few days earlier on August 15, Ford announced they would be recalling 2007 Ford Five Hundred and Mercury Montego’s because there were inadequate welds on the fuel filler pipe and gas tank which could leak and in the presence of an ignition source, catch FIRE.

    Last month BMW announced they are recalling 32,000 of its 2008-2011 cars (select 5-series, 7-series, X5’s & X6’s) because of a faulty electronic circuit board that could damage the water pump of the car and lead to a FIRE.

    On July 29 of this year, Daimler trucks of North America recalled certain 2010 & 2011 Saf-T-Liner C-2 school buses because “The intake air grid heater may short circuit and fail due to excessive internal temperatures. A short circuited grid heater could result in a FIRE and injury to vehicle occupants.” I wonder who might be the vehicle occupants of a school bus? Ya think school buses full of children possibly catching FIRE is a bit more newsworthy than a couple Volts catching fire weeks after NHTSA crash tests? I do!

    Then there’s Honda. Last year Honda recalled 646,000 Fits because a faulty power window switch could cause a vehicle FIRE. That’s a lot of recalled cars. I swear I don’t remember seeing this in the headlines for a few weeks last year. On September 12, 2011, Ford began a recall of certain model F-150’s and F-250’s from various years between 1997 and 2003. The reason: The fuel tank straps were defective and could break. This would cause the fuel tank to possibly separate form the vehicle while it was being driven and come in contact with the ground. In other words, it can literally fall off while you’re driving down the highway. This obviously poses a FIRE hazard.

    In October 2010, Chrysler recalled about 26,000 cars and pickup trucks because power steering fluid can leak onto a hot engine and cause a FIRE. In June of 2010 Toyota announced they were recalling approximately 13,000 Lexus HS 250 H after testing revealed that the car could leak fluid during a rear end collision and cause a FIRE.

    Let’s not forget in March 2011 when Mazda recalled 52,000 Mazda6 sedans. I remember this one did make the news for a day, but only because of how strange the problem was. Mazda said the problem was because "a certain type of spider may weave a web in the evaporative canister vent line and this may cause a restriction of the line." Blocking the vent line can prevent air from getting into the gas tank. This results in negative air pressure inside the tank. That can lead to a crack in the gas tank and the possibility of a FIRE.
    Recalls of electric vehicles relating to fire:

    Electric-car maker Fisker recalling Karmas due to battery issue | VentureBeat
    Fisker-Karma: 239
    Chevy Volt: 8,000

    Quite a bit less trouble with electric vehicles it seems. I wonder how many gas burning vehicles will burn down garages this year.
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