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    Supreme court sides with church on firing

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    This unanimous decision was a huge slap in the face to the Obama administration and the EEOC.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    My thought? Don't work for a religious institution if you want fairness and protection from discrimination.

    It's the same reason I say churches have the right to hire or fire ministers as they see fit. I don't like it, so I don't support religious institutions with my money or support. That's their choice and mine.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

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    This unanimous decision was a huge slap in the face to the Obama administration and the EEOC.
    Really? You think this was a high priority for the administration?

    I wonder if the Court would take the same approach to criminal rape and child abuse laws?

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Really? You think this was a high priority for the administration?

    I wonder if the Court would take the same approach to criminal rape and child abuse laws?
    Just to be clear, you're saying that you wonder if the SCOTUS would consider rape and child abuse in the same light as this ruling?
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Just to be clear, you're saying that you wonder if the SCOTUS would consider rape and child abuse in the same light as this ruling?
    Yes. Based on the story (haven't seen the opinion) it seems like the same reasoning would apply.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes. Based on the story (haven't seen the opinion) it seems like the same reasoning would apply.
    That's one of the more bizarre comments I've ever seen.... even for you.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I wonder if the Court would take the same approach to criminal rape and child abuse laws?
    I don't think so. However, one interpretation of this could lead to say a religious teacher getting fired because they turned in another religious teacher for rape or child abuse which made the school look bad.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Makes sense to me. Separation of Church and state works in two directions.

    I wonder how many people who support the 10 commandments being posted in courthouses would support this decision, though, since many of them make the claim that there is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution.

    Seems to me that anti-discrimination laws applying to religious institutions wouldn't violate the first amendment as it is written in cases like this one (which had nothing to do with the free exercise of religion). Only the concept of separation of church and state would have the effect of allowing such a decision.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That's one of the more bizarre comments I've ever seen.... even for you.
    Bizarre? It seems perfectly logical to me.

    It was, nevertheless, the first time the high court has acknowledged the existence of a so-called "ministerial exception" to anti-discrimination laws - a doctrine developed in lower court rulings. This doctrine says the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of religion shields churches and their operations from the reach of such protective laws when the issue involves religious employees of these institutions.
    If the law cannot reach ministerial employees on constitutional grounds, what is the basis for arguing that law can reach ministerial employees?

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