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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But these are all aspects of a traditionsl employment law matter. Where in all this did the EEOC infringe on the church's RELIGIOUS freedom?
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i so hope someone will answer that question

    It would open the flood gates on litigation regarding matters that are considered religious in nature. For example, sex discrimination in allowing females to hold certain positions such as priests in the Catholic Church or women Rabbis. Additionally, there would circumstances where ethnic discrimination would be tried such as: Orthodox Jews only consider someone Jewish if their mother was Jewish even if the person considers himself Jewish and has practiced as such their entire life.

    The First Amendment provides protects Religion from being State controlled. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." (see 1st Amendment) The EEOC was created by Congress in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

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    It would open the flood gates on litigation regarding matters that are considered religious in nature. For example, sex discrimination in allowing females to hold certain positions such as priests in the Catholic Church or women Rabbis. Additionally, there would circumstances where ethnic discrimination would be tried such as: Orthodox Jews only consider someone Jewish if their mother was Jewish even if the person considers himself Jewish and has practiced as such their entire life.

    The First Amendment provides protects Religion from being State controlled. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." (see 1st Amendment) The EEOC was created by Congress in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    All of the examples you listed implicate religious beliefs and would thus clearly be protected. That's not this case.

    This case is more akin to a minister refusing to pay rent on the church building and being declared immune from suit because he's a minister.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    All of the examples you listed implicate religious beliefs and would thus clearly be protected. That's not this case.
    Sexual and ethnic discrimination? They are legal fictions created by legislature.

    This case is more akin to a minister refusing to pay rent on the church building and being declared immune from suit because he's a minister.


    I said it would open the flood gates for such litigation further it would lead to charges of selective prosecution. Besides I do not see where your example speaks to this matter.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    I can see how a church could be exempt from laws that relate to its teachings. But this lady had narcolepsy. Is that a sin or something? Lame.
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I can see how a church could be exempt from laws that relate to its teachings. But this lady had narcolepsy. Is that a sin or something? Lame.
    The reason she was fired was she pursued resolution to a dispute through the court system instead of internal arbitration via church courts.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but it is obvious from the information you provided that the employee returned to work when her medical condition allowed. like we expect employees to do
    Come ON, Bubba. Please show me a quote from anywhere that says she returned to work when her medical condition allowed. Besides that!! Employers are not required to hold up jobs for months and months because someone is sick. You say, "Yes they are!!" ?? I say, show me.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But these are all aspects of a traditionsl employment law matter. Where in all this did the EEOC infringe on the church's RELIGIOUS freedom?
    She was a Minister by her job title. See the many other posts here who point out that if ministers (of any way/shape/form) are to be judged under EEOC, the Catholic Church would turn on its head.
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The reason she was fired was she pursued resolution to a dispute through the court system instead of internal arbitration via church courts.
    So suing the church is a sin.
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So suing the church is a sin.
    Personally, I am having trouble seeing this as any other than an employment issue, unless church courts are somehow in the doctrine, but I can't think of a major religion where they are.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Personally, I am having trouble seeing this as any other than an employment issue, unless church courts are somehow in the doctrine, but I can't think of a major religion where they are.
    Yeah, the idea that suing for your legal rights is the legal justification for firing you is pretty messed up.
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    "11. Thou shalt not seek the advice of a Lawyer, for they are the spawn of Satan's own loins and wish for nothing beyond the prosecution of the faithful."
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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