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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bizarre? It seems perfectly logical to me.



    If the law cannot reach ministerial employees on constitutional grounds, what is the basis for arguing that law can reach ministerial employees?
    Want to borrow a shovel to dig that hole deeper. This is as bizarre as your absurd attacks on Santorum. Based on your posts in these two threads, I'm not surprised you think it's "perfectly logical".

    Here's a hint: Criminal rape and child abuse are criminal acts. Firing someone from their job is NOT.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Well, I think SCOTUS was bound to rule that way ("bound" as in "almost had to). Many religions have positions that are typically held by males, for example. In fact, it's part of their doctrine. If women could sue the church for sexual discrimination, that would be a complete intrusion by the state into their religious practices and beliefs.
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bizarre? It seems perfectly logical to me.



    If the law cannot reach ministerial employees on constitutional grounds, what is the basis for arguing that law can reach ministerial employees?
    I think there is a difference between civil law and criminal law.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Makes sense to me. Separation of Church and state works in two directions.

    I wonder how many people who support the 10 commandments being posted in courthouses would support this decision, though, since many of them make the claim that there is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution.

    Seems to me that anti-discrimination laws applying to religious institutions wouldn't violate the first amendment as it is written in cases like this one (which had nothing to do with the free exercise of religion). Only the concept of separation of church and state would have the effect of allowing such a decision.
    There is no explicit separation of church and state in the Constitution. It only prohibits the Federal government establishing, or promoting, a religion.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    the plaintiff sued the employer because she was not permitted to work due to a medical condition beyond her control
    the SC ruling opened the doors to religious organizations to deprive their employees of the protection afforded under EEOC law not to be terminated because of their medical disability
    it effectively expands the right-to-work provisions for the narrow religious employment sector, to now tolerate terminations only because the employee became ill
    while i do not believe this was the objective of the ruling
    it is the unintentional outcome
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I think there is a difference between civil law and criminal law.
    A law either infringes on a constitutional right or it doesn't. But yeah, the constitutional strict scrutiny test does take into consideration the strength of the government's interest versus the importance of the right.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    I'll be curious to know how many of those who cry out against "sharia law" -- which could only be implemented in America as a system of civil arbitration to which all parties agreed to be bound, and which could not violate anybody's basic human rights -- think that this is okay.

    No doubt the irony will be missed by a country mile.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes. Based on the story (haven't seen the opinion) it seems like the same reasoning would apply.
    Um, yeah, never gonna happen. Anybody who honestly wonders if it might is a complete idiot.
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'll be curious to know how many of those who cry out against "sharia law" -- which could only be implemented in America as a system of civil arbitration to which all parties agreed to be bound, and which could not violate anybody's basic human rights --
    Actually, it violates basic tenets in regards to equal treatment before the law.

    I guess what you don't know can't hurt you, though, huh?
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    Re: Supreme court sides with church on firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Actually, it violates basic tenets in regards to equal treatment before the law.

    I guess what you don't know can't hurt you, though, huh?
    No, it doesn't. If you are an adult and you agree of your own free will to have a civil dispute settled according to a particular set of rules by a particular arbitrator, your rights have not been violated.
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