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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its funny how when major networks run exposes its journalism but when a guy does it and it exposes practices liberals defend, retards trip over themselves to decry the practice.
    Because it always turns out he is faking the videos dude.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Because it always turns out he is faking the videos dude.
    Does it? Is he faking the other persons roles? You may not approve of his tactics but has someone proven that WASNT really a welfare worker helping him figure out the process to file for assistance for a whore house? Are those real poll workers giving him balloots?

    Face it...he shows the flaws in liberal programs and it makes you lose your mind. Instead of having a little integrity and saying..."huh...thats probably a part of the program that should be changed to preserve the integrity of the program" morons rush to defend the programs at all cost. One would think if people are really able to request ballots for dead people, everyone would identify that as a problem. Not going to happen when that knee is so quick at jerking up and hitting you in your nose.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Does it? Is he faking the other persons roles? You may not approve of his tactics but has someone proven that WASNT really a welfare worker helping him figure out the process to file for assistance for a whore house?
    I just find it baffling that you were honestly unaware of this... It was such a huge scandal when it turned out it was faked... Are you like only getting your news from Fox or something?

    That pimp costume it looks like he was wearing in the interview, he just filmed himself walking along the street in it somewhere else on a different day and then edited it in. The bits where it sounds like he is pretending to be a pimp are all either just voice over or taking things out of context. He was actually telling them that he was a local politician trying to help a young girl out of a life of prostitution. He said that the first thing she needed was a place to live away from her abusive pimp, but she was afraid to report her earnings as an underage prostitute because she didn't want to be arrested, and they helped her out. The responses of the workers were cut I think they figured out 43 times to make it sound like they were saying what they were.

    The did is an animal. He's just going around flagrantly fabricating evidence to try to tear down anybody that tries to do good. He's one evil mofo that's for sure. Luckily, very few people still pay any attention to his antics after all the times he got busted faking videos... Were you even aware that he spent time in jail after being caught faking one of them? Does that sort of information just not filter in to the fox universe at all?

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    [...] You may not approve of his tactics but has someone proven that WASNT really a welfare worker helping him figure out the process to file for assistance for a whore house? [...]
    He never proved that it was. However, the right wing argument is usually that whatever they say is true, without any proof, unless someone disproves it. Go figure [shrug]

    Now in the New Hampshire case, it certainly seems clear that the poll workers were going to give out ballots of dead people. However, what does this prove? Does it prove that dead people have voted in NH in the past?

    If the argument then is, "well, they could have", then that's pretty lame, don't you think?

    If that is the argument, since O'Keefe seemed to focus on people who had been dead less than 30 days, and who were already registered to vote, just how many people would that be? 10? 30? More? If you want to play the 'what if' game, if all the dead people who were still on the registration rolls voted, would that be enough votes to change the election?

    Would those be Democratic votes or Republican votes?

    Admittedly, NH should tighten up a bit on canvassing those death notices, but is there really a looming problem here? One requiring state-issued photo ID?
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    [QUOTE=muciti;1060103593]People should have to show ID to vote. Its not that difficult. Probably won't stop voter fraud however.[/QUOTE

    Worrying about wholesale voter fraud is the adult version of worrying about the boogeyman....

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I just find it baffling that you were honestly unaware of this... It was such a huge scandal when it turned out it was faked... Are you like only getting your news from Fox or something?

    That pimp costume it looks like he was wearing in the interview, he just filmed himself walking along the street in it somewhere else on a different day and then edited it in. The bits where it sounds like he is pretending to be a pimp are all either just voice over or taking things out of context. He was actually telling them that he was a local politician trying to help a young girl out of a life of prostitution. He said that the first thing she needed was a place to live away from her abusive pimp, but she was afraid to report her earnings as an underage prostitute because she didn't want to be arrested, and they helped her out. The responses of the workers were cut I think they figured out 43 times to make it sound like they were saying what they were.

    The did is an animal. He's just going around flagrantly fabricating evidence to try to tear down anybody that tries to do good. He's one evil mofo that's for sure. Luckily, very few people still pay any attention to his antics after all the times he got busted faking videos... Were you even aware that he spent time in jail after being caught faking one of them? Does that sort of information just not filter in to the fox universe at all?
    Actually if that is all true then he is a total douche. Its comical that you like all the other morons have this incessant need to fall back on the Fox News hate train. From what I have seen here its you and people like you that are the ones that actually WATCH Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News. No wonder their viewership is so high. Its not only the people that watch them...its morons that HATE them that watch them and follow them so closely that bumps them up. Well done...you have earned your Pete Badge!

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    He never proved that it was. However, the right wing argument is usually that whatever they say is true, without any proof, unless someone disproves it. Go figure [shrug]

    Now in the New Hampshire case, it certainly seems clear that the poll workers were going to give out ballots of dead people. However, what does this prove? Does it prove that dead people have voted in NH in the past?

    If the argument then is, "well, they could have", then that's pretty lame, don't you think?

    If that is the argument, since O'Keefe seemed to focus on people who had been dead less than 30 days, and who were already registered to vote, just how many people would that be? 10? 30? More? If you want to play the 'what if' game, if all the dead people who were still on the registration rolls voted, would that be enough votes to change the election?

    Would those be Democratic votes or Republican votes?

    Admittedly, NH should tighten up a bit on canvassing those death notices, but is there really a looming problem here? One requiring state-issued photo ID?
    See...now look at that...someone that can disagree with the guy and not turn into an "I HATE FOX NEWS zombie"...

    If there is a potential for fraud it should be eliminated. I dont care if it is republican OR democrat. I dont vote for either party and I HIGHLY doubt 3rd party voters are going to be rising from the grave to sway the election. However we have seen (and Ive posted links in the past-I can find them and post them again) where dead people voted in the last election...in Texas, New Mexico, Illinois, and others. We have far too many instance of vote fraud indicators...be it the bags of alleged ballots found floating in ditches and lakes or the bags of ballots accidentally found weeks later in someones closet or trunk. Dead people shouldnt be able to vote. Poll workers shouldnt be able to cast peoples ballots for people. Election purity and intent (for whatever that is worth consider the amount of crap in the adds and airwaves) ought to be maintained wherever possible. If people can request ballots on behalf of dead people that practice SHOULD be identified and stopped. That people immediately shreik and cry about the exposure (and cling to their Fox News boogy man) is a pretty good indicator of their character.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No they weren't. They didn't accept any of the ballots and were performing a service by showing the holes in the system... Isn't that part of investigative journalism? Oh... only if you are a mainstream liberal news source... right?
    O'Keefe has a proven history of editing footage to show something that didn't really happen, so you'll have to forgive me for not taking a video from him at face value!

    (remember the Acorn-helping-prostitute thing? total bull****)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    How is an ID going to prevent someone who is determined to commit voter fraud (however miniscule that may be)?


    Let's take this statement by John Fund, a Wall Street Journal columnist and author of Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy.

    "Let's say somebody is registered who doesn't exist. How would you know that that was an improper vote?" Fund said. "All you have is an address. The person shows up at the polls, signs a signature, can vote. How would you know an improper vote has been cast? You wouldn't."

    Now let's alter that statement slightly, with the bolded.

    "Let's say somebody is registered who doesn't exist. How would you know that that was an improper vote? All you have is an address. The person shows up at the polls, shows a fake ID, can vote. How would you know an improper vote has been cast? You wouldn't."

    If you're going to risk violating a federal election law a fake ID damn sure isn't going to deter you.

    An ID isn't going to stop voter fraud, all it's doing is putting another unneccessary obstacle in the way of others.


    Couple the ID laws with other assaults on limiting voting like:

    uneccessary retrictions on groups like the League of Women Voters to register new voters

    eliminating same day voter registration

    cutting short early voting periods

    Florida and Iowa barred all ex-felons from the polls, disenfranchising thousands of previously eligible voters



    It's an uneccessary attempt at limiting the voting process.

    Voting should be made easier.
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Voter fraud does occur, no doubt about that, but every study on it I've ever seen concluded that 99.9% of it occurs with absentee ballots, computer hacking or election workers stuffing ballots. People actually going into a polling place and voting as somebody else or whatever, while possible, doesn't appear to actually happen hardly at all. Just think about it. One vote is basically meaningless in the big picture. It's hard enough to get people to vote once, let alone multiple times when they could potentially go to prison for it. It would be a wildly inefficient and risky way to defraud an election.
    Not to mention that its just far too much work for a negligible result. It is extremely improbable to actually get out enough illegal votes to sway an election other than a very local election that just does not have many aggregate votes. A political party's efforts are much better directed getting the reluctant to vote than getting one person to vote multiple times.

    It is, very easy, however to discourage the vote. Tactics that were pulled off in Ohio several years ago included having more than enough election machines for the suburbs and not nearly enough for the inner city, making it very convenient for one group to vote and very, very inconvenient (waits reported as 3-4 hours) for another. It is estimated that 3% of the voting populace in Ohio were discouraged from voting. That may have swung the 2004 presidential election.

    2004 United States election voting controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Again, this idea that illegal voters are voting in sufficient mass (and all voting one particular way) to sway an election defies reason. Its an adult boogeyman; no more real than the one in your closet.

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