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DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

AdamT said:
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I just love it when lefties lambast a right wing source with a far left wing source like Think Progress or Media Matters...........

The hypocrisy is to thick to slice with a knife.
 
Gill said:
I just love it when lefties lambast a right wing source with a far left wing source like Think Progress or Media Matters...........

The hypocrisy is to thick to slice with a knife.
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I only quoted the applicable NH law -- not ThinkProgress' spin on the story.
 
It should be simple enough to correct. When the state issues the certificate of death, it should trigger the revocation of all state documents, including but not limited to voter registration, and it should also notify the federal government to do the same.

But because its just too damn simple, they will never do it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Who else didn't find this 'sting operation' to be extremely CREEPY as hell.

Just how did he learn these people were deceased - and what district they were voting in? And how did he creep into a voting-arena with a camera hidden away.

I'm more disturbed at his actions than the fact that states don't get everything 100% when it comes to cross references death-reports with voter-registration. Only 900 . . . doesn't seem quite so bad, honestly.

Was this even legal - can you pretend to be someone (dead or alive) for any reason at all like this? Sounds like a federal offense to me.
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A 900 vote margin can be enough to tip the vote. Romney only won the Iowa caucus by 8 votes, and IIRC, Florida and New Mexico have both had very, very close popular-vote counts in recent elections. Since electoral votes are almost univserally given at 100% to which ever candidate wins the state's popular vote, it's imperative that we don't have to come out later and say that a close election might have been called incorrectly.

Pretending to be somebody you aren't in order to case a vote is voter fraud. Yeah, the dude in the video committed a crime. But he didn't cast all 900 of those fake ballots, so who else was doing the same thing without trying to prove a point?
 
AdamT said:
I only quoted the applicable NH law -- not ThinkProgress' spin on the story.
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Really? I could have sworn you linked to Think Progress. Guess my computer is acting up.
 
Requiring a state-issued photo ID to vote is no more of a hinderance than requiring voters to get to the polling location. How you can survive without an ID in this day and age is beyond me, anyway.
 
Samhain said:
It should be simple enough to correct. When the state issues the certificate of death, it should trigger the revocation of all state documents, including but not limited to voter registration, and it should also notify the federal government to do the same.

But because its just too damn simple, they will never do it.
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That is a partial solution but the real solution to a lot of voter fraud, will start when those that want to register to vote actually has to prove they are eligible to vote.

In most if not all states today one can register by mailing in a 3 by 5 card. That's it. No proof that you are even a real person listed in the application. Just mail it in and you can vote.

Of course that won't stop the Democrats from doing little things like making up vote counts out of thin air.....but it's a start.
 
Gill said:
Really? I could have sworn you linked to Think Progress. Guess my computer is acting up.
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As I said, I only quoted their direct quotation of the applicable election law, and another paragraph describing the NH law on recorded conversations.
 
a777pilot said:
Democrats cheating and perpetrating voter fraud? No, say it isn't so. ROFLMAO!
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I suggest you watch the video -- it was O'Keefe and his assistants that were "cheating and perpetrating voter fraud".
 
tessaesque said:
A 900 vote margin can be enough to tip the vote. Romney only won the Iowa caucus by 8 votes, and IIRC, Florida and New Mexico have both had very, very close popular-vote counts in recent elections. Since electoral votes are almost univserally given at 100% to which ever candidate wins the state's popular vote, it's imperative that we don't have to come out later and say that a close election might have been called incorrectly.

Pretending to be somebody you aren't in order to case a vote is voter fraud. Yeah, the dude in the video committed a crime. But he didn't cast all 900 of those fake ballots, so who else was doing the same thing without trying to prove a point?
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You are confusing two different stories; perhaps the goal of the OP (by posting them together).

The alleged 900 votes were not in NH, and may span more than one election (the link was vague).
 
This horrific human being O'Keefe is a one trick pony. Let me explain something to you Vicchio that I think you have a hard time understanding.

There's some kid on youtube who posts videos of himself making incredible trick basketball shots. He'll shoot from off of buildings and make it, he'll shoot over a house and make it, and he makes every half court shot he takes. He makes them all! He is clearly the greatest basketball player in the world, right? Now, obviously you understand that he's doing something anybody could do, he spends hours missing shot after shot before he finally makes one. The fact that there is a video of him making nearly impossible shots does not prove that he is a great basketball player.

That's what these O'Keefe videos are. You could sit down and decide to do anything -- send a kid into a liquor store to buy whiskey, vote under a deceased person's name, find racist people at a tea party rally, find antisemitic people at an OWS rally, you could go to an NAACP meeting and make it appear that there are only white people there. So, Vicchio, unless you're going to argue that all liquor stores sell to children, the tea party is racist, OWS is antisemitic, and the NAACP is full of white people; you shouldn't make the absurd claim that voter fraud is rampant because O'Keefe wasted enough time to make it look like he's right.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, they weren't. But thanks for showing you are less honest then you claim okeefe to be.
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You can't possibly be unaware that the other ones were faked... You know the ACORN one? Were you honestly unaware that it turned out it was fake? In the video it shows him going into the building wearing a full on pimp costume for example, but it turns out he just filmed that part another day in another location and he was actually wearing a business suit during the interview with ACORN he filmed. Or, remember how in the video it seemed like he was saying that he was a pimp trying to help his ho evade taxes? In reality it turned out that he told them that he was a local elected official that was trying to help this poor young girl get her life back on track and get out of prostitution and that the first step was that she needed a place to live so that she could get away from her abusive pimp, but she was afraid to report her prostitution income because she didn't want to go to jail.

O'Keefe is a monster.
 
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AdamT said:
How hard to you folks think it is to obtain fake IDs? Is it so hard that half the high school and college students in the country can't get them?
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That's what's so funny to me.

IF someone is determined to vote illegally, an ID will be the last thing to stop them.

Is running all around town with fake voter certificates and matching fake IDs in significant numbers really be worth the huge logistic effort it would take to influence an election?


Voting should be made easier.
 
Voter fraud does occur, no doubt about that, but every study on it I've ever seen concluded that 99.9% of it occurs with absentee ballots, computer hacking or election workers stuffing ballots. People actually going into a polling place and voting as somebody else or whatever, while possible, doesn't appear to actually happen hardly at all. Just think about it. One vote is basically meaningless in the big picture. It's hard enough to get people to vote once, let alone multiple times when they could potentially go to prison for it. It would be a wildly inefficient and risky way to defraud an election.
 
teamosil said:
Voter fraud does occur, no doubt about that, but every study on it I've ever seen concluded that 99.9% of it occurs with absentee ballots, computer hacking or election workers stuffing ballots. People actually going into a polling place and voting as somebody else or whatever, while possible, doesn't appear to actually happen hardly at all. Just think about it. One vote is basically meaningless in the big picture. It's hard enough to get people to vote once, let alone multiple times when they could potentially go to prison for it. It would be a wildly inefficient and risky way to defraud an election.
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People actually going into a polling place and voting as somebody else or whatever, while possible, doesn't appear to actually happen hardly at all.
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I disagree. There are hundreds of thousands that are signed up/registered to vote that are not eligible to vote. From the dead to the many mexican citizens that vote here in this country.
 
a777pilot said:
I disagree. There are hundreds of thousands that are signed up/registered to vote that are not eligible to vote. From the dead to the many mexican citizens that vote here in this country.
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The number of cases actually brought for voter fraud is miniscule, despite the fact that there are dozens of highly contested elections every cycle.
 
AdamT said:
The number of cases actually brought for voter fraud is miniscule, despite the fact that there are dozens of highly contested elections every cycle.
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Florida, Missouri, Minnesota, Illinois, Louisiana, South Dakota, Nevada, Oregon, Washing, Indiana.....there are more.

All Democrat cheating I might add.
 
a777pilot said:
Florida, Missouri, Minnesota, Illinois, Louisiana, South Dakota, Nevada, Oregon, Washing, Indiana.....there are more.

All Democrat cheating I might add.
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Did you forget to provide a link to the verifiable evidence of your charges?
 
AdamT said:
How hard to you folks think it is to obtain fake IDs? Is it so hard that half the high school and college students in the country can't get them? You think that O'Keefe couldn't have made up a couple dozen fake IDs with a laser printer and laminating machine and achieved the same result? [...]
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The people pushing voter ID laws know that (even if misled masses do not). It would also be just as effective, if ID was desired, to have people bring a recent utility bill, checking account statement, or even their voter registration card -- anything 'official' with the name and address of the registered voter on it.

However, that would not be as effective in disenfranchising legal voters as a state issued photo ID, which some may not have (don't drive), or some may not want to visit a state office to get (minor problems with the law, child support, simply a pain in the ass, whatever). And of course we all know for whom those at the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder -- those who may not have official photo-ID's but may still be legal voters -- are likely to vote for: Democrats.

Given that, I'm really at a loss as to why the Republicans are so hot on this non-issue.... :roll:
 
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AdamT said:
AG probes voter fraud in NH after activists get ballots as dead people because they weren't ID'ed | New Hampshire NEWS0605
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From that link:

Project Veritas asked the New Hampshire Union Leader to email questions about the video, but did not respond.
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Imagine that :lamo

Who wants to bet that O'Keefe shows up on Fox News within the next couple days, touting voter fraud in NH (which clearly did not happen), while all the Fox talking heads cluck their tongues and nod approvingly... while still refusing to address any question by the 'mainstream' media (like the New Hampshire Union Leader newspaper above)?
 
a777pilot said:
Florida, Missouri, Minnesota, Illinois, Louisiana, South Dakota, Nevada, Oregon, Washing, Indiana.....there are more.

All Democrat cheating I might add.
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HAHAHA! I'm from Minnesota, and let me guess, you're going to claim that Al Franken won because of voter fraud? Because that's the provably false claim that people have been making for years despite the fact that every ballot was checked out by a bi-partisan committee and everybody concluded that the final count was the most accurate final count.

Oh well, the truth has never stopped people like you before from lying, so I don't see why me pointing out that you're factually wrong will phase you the least bit.
 
So, how many dead people actually showed up and cast votes? Can someone tell me that?
 
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