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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Admittedly, NH should tighten up a bit on canvassing those death notices, but is there really a looming problem here? One requiring state-issued photo ID?
    What is wrong with requiring someone to prove who they are before they vote in the person's name they claim to be? it isn't THAT hard. Surely, it can't be as hard as it is to get to the polls in the first place.

    I asked this question to my adult students last week and every single one of them, EVERY ONE, was incredulous that you can vote in the United States without showing an identification. Not one thought there was any problem with it. For the record, we live in a country that requires an ID to vote and more than 75% percent voted this past weekend despite the fact that one has to travel back to ones hometown (sometimes hundreds of kilometers away from where they live and work) to vote.
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    O'Keefe has a proven history of editing footage to show something that didn't really happen, so you'll have to forgive me for not taking a video from him at face value!

    (remember the Acorn-helping-prostitute thing? total bull****)
    So how exactly could this have been edited? The NH Attorney General's office is investigating the voting situation according to people back in the state of my birth...
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is a great idea... problem is that the GOP what to make it hard to get and that is a horrible idea.
    In both NH and GA, it is incredibly easy to get an ID...
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is no indication of any serious voter fraud problem in this country. Bush's DOJ made voter fraud a priority, and their efforsts resulted in exactly ZERO convictions. Incidents where dead people supposedly voted have been investigated in the past, and AFAIK they all turned out to be nothing. This is a non-existent problem that Republicans are trying to use to suppress Democratic voter turnout. What else is new?
    Are you sure about that ???

    68 dead people are confirmed by the Shelby County Election Commission as having voted between 1994 and 2004.

    "You're always irritated that something happens like this. Not all of these happened on my watch. It's doesn't matter doesn't matter if it happened on my or anyone's watch," said commission administrator James Johnson.

    The investigation uncovered several names, which according to commission records, voted as much as eight and 10 years after federal records show they died.

    "I certainly have no idea how any of this could have happened," said Johnson, but election Commissioner Richard Holden says he does.

    "It clearly exists as a result of someone committing a felony," said Holden.
    Investigation finds more dead people on voting rolls - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee

    This is just one that I was familiar with since I lived in Memphis at the time. I'm sure there are thousands more around the country that don't get reported.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Adding the purple thumb will help alleviate some of these issues.
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What are you talking about? First of all, poor black people aren't the only ones affected by ID laws. Second, the price of an airplane ticket is probably going to disqualify a poor person before not having an ID does. Third, flying is not a fundamental right. Fourth, the public interest in safety is implicated to a much greater degree in the case of individuals hijacking airplanes, which has happened dozens of times throughout history, than it is by a fraudulent election, which has only happened once and was achieved by Republican manipulation of the results, not by voter fraud. Fifth, the TSA can waive the ID requirement if it is satisfied you are not a threat (I know, because they waived it for me once when I forgot my photo ID). Sixth, the 9th Circuit has held that you can still fly provided you agree to undergo more stringent screening. All of which goes to demonstrate that the situations are completely different.
    So because you think the poor will never fly, it's not an issue. How about if someone pays for their ticket, what will they do then? If safety is so paramount for flying, why aren't we instituting profiling techniques like the Israelis do?
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And unfortunately, requiring ID doesn't solve these problems. What it does is it means that voter fraud would then require a large group of people who have a vested interest in the outcome of the election. Like maybe the Republican and Democratic parties? How likely do you think that either of them is likely to investigate after they successfully fixed the election?
    Not at all. thats part of the problem...people dont give a **** about the problem when its their guys benefitting. Voter ID isnt going to fix everything. its not meant to. it is meant to ensure one person, one vote, and that person is who they say they are. For all the bed wetting about OMIGOSH...show an ID??? Good lord...grow the **** up. You have to show an ID for countless services in this country. You have to show an ID to follow the provisions enumerated in the second amendment...a constitutional right. It would be wonderful if people were honest, honorable, and voted appropriately. Unfortunately, we have more than a few scumbags and liars in our midst. Deal with it. And if you arent smart enough to to realize that you live in a state that by law requires an ID to vote and follow the basic rules, then you arent smart enough to vote. Dont blame the rules and laws...blame piss poor genetics. Blame yourself.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Are you sure about that ???


    Investigation finds more dead people on voting rolls - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee

    This is just one that I was familiar with since I lived in Memphis at the time. I'm sure there are thousands more around the country that don't get reported.
    I'm not saying that it NEVER happens, but it's extremely rare and more likely than not it would happen even with voter ID in place because these things tend to be done by poll workers or others participating in the vote tally process. Obviously Shelby County has some problems.... The Free Press -- Independent News Media from Columbus, Ohio

    That said, the county has a population of about 1 million. So say you five elections over that 10 year span; that comes to about 14 fraudulent votes per election. According to several studies, a strict voter ID law would be expected to reduce voter participation by 10,000 to 15,000. So which is the greater evil, taking into consideration that the ID law might not even prevent some or all of the fraudulent votes?

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The ACORN voter registration stuff didn't have anything to do with elections. ACORN paid people per registration form they collected. Some of the folks doing that for them figured "hey, why don't I just put made up names on these forms to bilk some extra money out of ACORN" so they wrote down made up names. That doesn't have anything to do with changing the result of any election or anything. They just got bounced by the board of elections since they were bogus names. It happened enough in a few places that the boards of elections got (rightly) sick of having their time wasted, so they sued.
    Yes...ACORN was an innocent victim, 'bilked' by the registrants. And since there were literally hundreds of thousands of people fraudulently registered without any form of ID, what is to stop them from VOTING under those fraudulent registrations? Blame the scumbags that created the problem. Funny what side of the fence so many of them land on.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yes...ACORN was an innocent victim, 'bilked' by the registrants. And since there were literally hundreds of thousands of people fraudulently registered without any form of ID, what is to stop them from VOTING under those fraudulent registrations? Blame the scumbags that created the problem. Funny what side of the fence so many of them land on.
    No there were not literally hundreds of thousands of people fraudulently registered. Nor were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent applications submitted. There is a difference between registering and submitting, btw. ACORN did not register anyone to vote. They collected registration forms and submitted them to state registrars, who are supposed to check the applications before actually registering anyone. ACORN claimed that it also checked the forms before turning them in, though they may not have been 100% compliant with their own procedures.

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