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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    If you have no objection to this law how is it any different than the others?
    The MI law provides that you don't have to have a photo ID. Pretty obvious, no?

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    "Histrionic BS", you say?



    Not only does the GOP want to push granny off the cliff, they don't even want to let her vote on the way down (sorry, couldn't resist )
    they dont require a drivers license and I guess they better get one of those for free voter IDs. Its really not that hard now is it. Instead of spending months bitching about it, do it. An ID card is vital to health care services, banking needs, buying cigarettes for Gods sake. Ah...but its a CONSTITUTIONAL issue...right? Got a problem with requiring people to show ID to purchase firearms and exercise their constitutional rights?

    Its a silly argument. Fraud happens. Wouldst that we didnt have so many in this country that were such liars and cheats, but...sadly...it happens. East St Louis. Wisconsin. Kentucky (republicans). Vote buying, voter fraud...to say nothing of the literally hundreds of thousands of illegal voter registration acts by (shocking) democrat backed agencies.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    There is no indication of any serious voter fraud problem in this country. Bush's DOJ made voter fraud a priority, and their efforsts resulted in exactly ZERO convictions. Incidents where dead people supposedly voted have been investigated in the past, and AFAIK they all turned out to be nothing. This is a non-existent problem that Republicans are trying to use to suppress Democratic voter turnout. What else is new?

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The MI law provides that you don't have to have a photo ID. Pretty obvious, no?
    Sooo, the others don't have this same or similar provision?

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Sooo, the others don't have this same or similar provision?
    Not as far as I know. If they do I have no objection to them -- except to the extent that they're a waste of time and money.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is no indication of any serious voter fraud problem in this country. Bush's DOJ made voter fraud a priority, and their efforsts resulted in exactly ZERO convictions. Incidents where dead people supposedly voted have been investigated in the past, and AFAIK they all turned out to be nothing. This is a non-existent problem that Republicans are trying to use to suppress Democratic voter turnout. What else is new?
    That’s right. And per BHO, elections have consequences. Those states elected their representatives who went to their respective capitals and wrote and passed the legislation (historically several of these were passed by Dem and mixed majorities). Now if the electorate can organize a large enough effort to either repeal the legislation or elect representatives who can organize a concretive effort to change the law it is what it is. Whine all you want but that is the way it works.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    That’s right. And per BHO, elections have consequences. Those states elected their representatives who went to their respective capitals and wrote and passed the legislation (historically several of these were passed by Dem and mixed majorities). Now if the electorate can organize a large enough effort to either repeal the legislation or elect representatives who can organize a concretive effort to change the law it is what it is. Whine all you want but that is the way it works.
    As you say, elections have consequences. Some of these laws are already under attack by voters. I expect others will follow.

    And Rhode Island is the only state with a democratically controlled legislature that has passed one of these laws.
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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its a silly argument. Fraud happens. Wouldst that we didnt have so many in this country that were such liars and cheats, but...sadly...it happens. East St Louis. Wisconsin. Kentucky (republicans). Vote buying, voter fraud...to say nothing of the literally hundreds of thousands of illegal voter registration acts by (shocking) democrat backed agencies.
    And unfortunately, requiring ID doesn't solve these problems. What it does is it means that voter fraud would then require a large group of people who have a vested interest in the outcome of the election. Like maybe the Republican and Democratic parties? How likely do you think that either of them is likely to investigate after they successfully fixed the election?


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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen
    Most states cross check voter registration records with other records in order to minimize this sort of thing from happening.
    What would someone say if they showed up to vote only to find that their name had mistakenly been purged from the voter roll?

    Voting should be encouraged and made easier.

    Officials say they make every effort to rid the voter rolls of dead people. Workers in the Harris County tax assessor and voter registrar's office comb through obituaries, death certificates and legal documents filed after a person's death. They use those records, along with confirmation from family members, to identify dead people on the rolls.

    "We do all we can, but you know, we'd rather err on the side of leaving people on the roll instead of taking them off inadvertently," George Hammerlein, director of Harris County voter registration, told KPRC-Local 2 Investigates.

    Hammerlein said the office has "never had any evidence" of an organized attempt to defraud the system.

    Ballots cast in Houston using dead voters' names | Texas Healthcare Report
    Of note in this article of the 4,000 dead people found on Harris County's voter rolls by a Texas Watchdog analysis, only one was found to have actually cast a vote.

    Voter fraud should be identified and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but not to the detriment of possibly preventing an honest and legal vote.


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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Here is the Secretary of States pronouncement regarding Michigan voters without a photo ID.

    Voters without picture ID: Michigan election law anticipates that
    not all voters will have picture ID. Voters who do not have
    acceptable picture ID or forgot to bring acceptable picture ID to the
    polls can vote like any other voter by signing an affidavit.
    Questions regarding the voter identification requirement can be
    directed to your local city or township clerk’s office.


    So Michigan voters will continue to vote without photo ID.

    As I have said, I have been voting for forty years and have never been asked for any ID of any kind - photo or otherwise. A simple signature and that is it. I voted a recently as 2011. I will attempt to find out about this recent Michigan court case which caused the Secretary of State to issue these guidelines.
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