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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I understand. If it is illegal to cast a vote without ID, how can you stop legal voting unless you prevent someone from voting who has ID?
    In Crawford, the Supreme Court found insufficient evidence of the burden
    of Indiana’s voter ID law to overcome the state’s interest in sustaining
    the law.120 This Essay supports previous studies in finding that voter ID laws
    impose a real burden on voter turnout. Based on my finding that states with
    voter ID laws experienced a 1.6 to 2.2 percentage point decline in 2006 voter
    turnout, 3 to 4.5 million voters were disenfranchised by the laws. As Justice
    Souter reasoned in his Crawford dissent,121 where a court finds evidence of a
    real burden on voters, a state must advance stronger interests than those
    relied on by Indiana in Crawford to defend its contested voting regulation.122
    Otherwise, voter ID laws fail the Court’s balancing test and must be found
    unconstitutional. In future as-applied challenges to voter ID laws, petitioners
    should use studies such as this one to quantify the nontrivial burden of
    disenfranchisement.
    http://journalistsresource.org/wp-co...nd-Turnout.pdf

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    It is not illegal to cast a vote without ID in many locations. Not all states have the same laws.

    The argument is that in a state where a photo ID is not currently required, some people who do not currently have a photo ID would not vote if the law was changed to require a photo ID. Even though they are legal to vote (they don't want to get, or cannot get, the ID -- which is not simple to get).
    If the law is changed, then they would not be able to vote legally without presenting ID at the polls, thus no legal votes would be prevented.

    Sorry, this is beginning to resemble some Monty Python sketch.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    If the law is changed, then even they would not be able to vote legally without ID, thus no legal votes would be prevented.

    Sorry, this is beginning to resemble some Monty Python sketch.
    Yes, of course that is a tautology -- not an argument.

    The point is that the laws make it more difficult to vote legally and thus suppress voter turnout.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Again, requiring voters to have IDs does not stop election fraud. Election fraud is done by the poll workers.

    What would eliminate 99% of general election voter fraud would be to have each poll staffed by people from both political parties and the precinct report required to be signed by a representative of both parties.
    Last edited by joko104; 01-17-12 at 02:49 PM.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not at all. Its histrionic BS. People show ID for damn near everything. They show it to get basic services. The pretense that gosh...they just don't have any legal ID, and don't have it for every basic service, but would be responsible enough to vote is a joke. [...]
    In 2006, the Brennan Center published the results of a telephone survey conducted by the Opinion Research Corporation (ORC), an independent market research firm, on the number of voting-age Americans who have government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship. 11% of all respondents to that survey did not have ready access to government-issued photo ID; the percentages of those without ID were even higher for certain demographic groups.

    Debunking Misinformation on Photo ID | Brennan Center for Justice
    The [Wisconsin] population of elderly persons 65 and older without a drivers license or a state photo ID totals 177,399, and of these 70 percent are women [...] An estimated 98,247 Wisconsin residents ages 35 through 64 also do not have either a drivers license or a photo ID.

    http://www4.uwm.edu/eti/barriers/DriversLicense.pdf
    "Histrionic BS", you say?



    Not only does the GOP want to push granny off the cliff, they don't even want to let her vote on the way down (sorry, couldn't resist )
    Last edited by Karl; 01-17-12 at 02:50 PM.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    [...] Sorry, this is beginning to resemble some Monty Python sketch.
    No problem... I'm a big fan




    Last edited by Karl; 01-17-12 at 02:53 PM.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    As Justice
    Souter reasoned in his Crawford dissent,121 where a court finds evidence of a
    real burden on voters, a state must advance stronger interests than those
    relied on by Indiana in Crawford to defend its contested voting regulation.122

    Joko, do you know what a dissent opinion means?

    Antifa guy, a tautology should be obvious and not have to be repeated ad nauseum.

    Thanks

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Should we go with the purple thumb then?
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is my 40th year of voting in public elections. I have never had to provide anything but my signature which is matched against the duplicate of the voters application I filled out to register to vote. The person behind the desk simply matches them up and I vote.

    There never has been any problem.
    While I'm sure you know this, you sir have been breaking the law or soon will be...in your state I believe...:


    Due to a recent court ruling, every Michigan voter must present picture identification at the polls, or sign an affidavit attesting that he or she is not in possession of picture identification.


    SOS - A Guide to Voter Identification at the Polls

    It is now YOUR opportunity to promote YOUR voice IN YOUR STATE to repeal this photo ID issue…if you are so inclined. I would suggest others that pontificate on this issue to check their OWN laws. If they reside in states who have such laws that they disagree with I suggest their time would be better served organizing efforts to repeal them rather than posting opinions on DP…

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    Re: DMV: 900 Dead People May Have Voted

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No problem... I'm a big fan




    Hey, I was just ready to post that!

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