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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Does your pogo stick have a nitrous bottle attached to it? That's quite a leap you made.

    A foreign government attacking civilians on sovereign soil is not "everyone who has ever murdered or killed someone".
    When someone is murdered it creates fear in other citizens that they could be potential victims.Therefore by your logic someone on the street getting murdered is a act of terrorism.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course it does, that's a natural extension of any assasination. Killing Kennedy created fear, the shooting of Reagan created fear. Those were assasinations (or attempted assasinations) though not acts of terrorism.

    Do you think creating fear was the reason we killed the scientists or were we removing a scientists that was important to their nuclear program? That's what distinguishes terrorism from assasination. If we were conducting a campaign of terrorism to stop their nuclear program we would go for targets that maximize the amount of fear created. Not one target.
    Oswald wasn't working for an organization. Hinkley was insane.


    "We" killed the scientist?

    I think you are using a false dichotomy. Couldn't the purpose of the killing to be both to instill fear in scientists and remove an important part of the program?

    Also, who says that this was the only attack. Wasn't there an explosion at a site in Iran not too long ago?
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When someone is murdered it creates fear in other citizens that they could be potential victims.Therefore by your logic someone on the street getting murdered is a act of terrorism.
    You obviously don't understand what logic I am applying here. I never said that. Is this National Obtuse Month?
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    You obviously don't understand what logic I am applying here. I never said that. Is this National Obtuse Month?
    These are your own words.
    Don't you think this creates fear for any scientists who work for the Iranian government?

    So it is your logic that someone being murdered/assassinated creates fear in other potential victims.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    I believe the CIA had to do with this...
    Just look at the CIA's history...


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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    I think you are using a false dichotomy. Couldn't the purpose of the killing to be both to instill fear in scientists and remove an important part of the program?
    It is a dichotomy...not a false one. If your goal is to create fear it's terrorism. If it's to take out a target it's an assasination. When drug cartels kills random civilians it's terrorism. When they target a specific individuals like a political figure or a police chief that is trying to combat the drug cartels it's an assasination.

    I'm sure they knew it would cause fear but that was not the purpose. The purpose was to take out a strategic target tied to the nuclear program.

    Edit: More examples...the killing of MLK was an assasination...it targeted an individual they wanted to remove. The KKK bombings during the civil rights era to was instill terror.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These are your own words.
    Don't you think this creates fear for any scientists who work for the Iranian government?

    So it is your logic that someone being murdered/assassinated creates fear in other potential victims.
    I should have said "nuclear scientists".

    That doesn't mean that all Iranians should be afraid as your post implied.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It is a dichotomy...not a false one. If your goal is to create fear it's terrorism. If it's to take out a target it's an assasination. When drug cartels kills random civilians it's terrorism. When they target a specific individuals like a political figure or a police chief that is trying to combat the drug cartels it's an assasination.

    I'm sure they knew it would cause fear but that was not the purpose. The purpose was to take out a strategic target tied to the nuclear program.
    It's not like the target was unique and irreplaceable.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's not like the target was unique and irreplaceable.
    Nuclear experts must come a dime a dozen in your neck of the woods.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's not like the target was unique and irreplaceable.
    How do you know that ??

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