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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I disagree with calling it terrorism. It's an assasination.
    seems to fit the definition of terrorism
    ter·ror·ism   [ter-uh-riz-uhm]
    noun
    1.
    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
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    the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
    3.
    a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So by your logic Lee Harvey Oswald was a terrorist, so was John Wilkes Booth and John Hinckley, Jr. is a terrorist and anyone who ever murdered someone is a terrorist.
    If some brown dude with a cloth wrapped around his head blew up ANY American scientist it would be terrorism. It would be alllll ove the news as terrorism. I think there is a bunch of subconcious racists just beating the war drum. Maybe its what comes after Highschool. No more teams to rush at eachother blindly so they need a war banner to keep them entertained.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

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    It is not dishonest to call this a terrorist attack. The definition of terrorism fits this to a tee.
    No, it doesn't. Not to anybody who is intellectually honest.

    You simply have an agenda at work here and are pursuing it against all reason.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, it doesn't. Not to anybody who is intellectually honest.

    You simply have an agenda at work here and are pursuing it against all reason.
    The definition of terrorism has been provided and this fits it. Sorry you don't like the truth.

    As for agenda, it is not mine, but yours to justify this as acceptable.

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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You need your hypocrisy explained to you, Maggie? That's easy. You are a hypocrite for agreeing with the dishonest poster who introduced the dishonest terminology and has used it the most often, and have limited yourself to criticizing only those who wish to correct the dishonest element thus introduced. You are obviously hypocritical.
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    Hypocrisy:

    1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

    2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
    Just because someone does not agree with you about the definition of a WORD, Gardner, doesn't brand them a hypocrite. But rather than derail this thread any further with ridiculous semantics, I'll let you call me a hypocrite as much as you'd like. Perhaps it will distract you from making a even one real, yet probably misguided, observation on the subject of the Original Post.

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    Some people are extraordinarily ignorant of the meaning of basic terms, and this is especially true among those who are motivated by a political agenda rather than any search for truth.

    A targeted assassination is not terrorism, obviously so, since to be considered terrorism, the targets need to be civilian AND RANDOM. This was not random, so it wasn't terrorism.
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    Post #19 in this thread an obvious example.
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    The victims were certainly random, since their identities were unknown.
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    Some, like yourself, are both honest and intelligent.

    As we have seen here in this thread, some aren't.
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    as long as we are referring to online dictionaries and all.........
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    and quite ironic, too, since he is accusing your position as being the one al Qaeda would applaud rather than his.
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    What is truly despicable are the lengths you will go to in order to engage in agitprop through the use of incredibly false equivalencies and blatant turnspeak.
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    Yes -- Hatuey gave an intelligent and honest reply rather than an unintelligent one motivated by a dishonest agenda.
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    Are you actually TRYING to sound as stupid and dishonest as you do, or does it just come naturally to you?
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    You need your hypocrisy explained to you, Maggie? That's easy. You are a hypocrite for agreeing with the dishonest poster who introduced the dishonest terminology and has used it the most often, and have limited yourself to criticizing only those who wish to correct the dishonest element thus introduced.

    You are obviously hypocritical.
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    No, it doesn't. Not to anybody who is intellectually honest.

    You simply have an agenda at work here and are pursuing it against all reason.
    Other than parsing words, Gardner, do you have an actual opinion on the opening post?
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If some brown dude with a cloth wrapped around his head blew up ANY American scientist it would be terrorism. It would be alllll ove the news as terrorism. I think there is a bunch of subconcious racists just beating the war drum. Maybe its what comes after Highschool. No more teams to rush at eachother blindly so they need a war banner to keep them entertained.

    It would be an assassination. If someone regardless of what color that person's skin or what he had or did not have on his head blew up a building,bus,train or what ever full of random people then it would be a act of terrorism.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    It appears that somebody's "Spooks" have been busy__Hmmm?__Wonder if it was Mossad or CIA???
    I admit the morality here is very difficult but heres a comparative example to see if people here are being consistent. The french oil giant Total (and its American asociates Unocol) was sucessfully sued for abuses in Burma* after many people were killed, displaced or forced to work on the pipeline by the army in order to facilitate the building of this pipeline . If an armed opossition group decided to target employees of these companies through bombings and assasinations in Paris and New York then would they have a right to do so? if not why not? Remember the C.I.A/Mossad killed this person due to the percieved *potential* threat that they posed to their security in a wort-case senario. Whereas the Burmese would be responding to a threat that had already been established as 100% verifiable to their lives and liberty because these events had already transpired. Why is one legitimate but not the other?

    *Possibly it was just UNOCOL that was sued sucessfully, I'll check.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    I disagree that it is to create a state of fear or coerce. The purpose was to hamstring their nuclear project by taking out a key memeber of the project.

    In order for it to be terrorism the goal is fear and the ultimate goal is to use that fear for political purposes.

    This was to take out someone that is a key person in a project, not to create fear in iran in order to stop them working on their nuclear project.
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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I disagree that it is to create a state of fear or coerce. The purpose was to hamstring their nuclear project by taking out a key memeber of the project.

    In order for it to be terrorism the goal is fear and the ultimate goal is to use that fear for political purposes.

    This was to take out someone that is a key person in a project, not to create fear in iran in order to stop them working on their nuclear project.
    It is being used for political purposes. It is instilling fear for ALL Iranian scientists that they may be targeted. Fits terrorism to a tee.

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    Re: Car bombs kill Iranian nuclear expert

    Oh man.. The lengths some will go to bury their own head in sand. Its terrorism. The only reason why some don't think so is because it happened to the "bad guys". Laughner? Terrorist. Hasan? Terrorist. Agents blowing up some Iranian civilean due to specutalive threats? Not terrorist.
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