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Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

digsbe said:
If someone is a Christian and decides to believe that homosexuality is not a sin is willfully ignorance and has fallen into deception in my opinion.

Stop thinking everyone who views homosexuality as a sin literally hates homosexuals. Most would view premarital sex, theft, drunkenness, and other sins to be sinful according to the Bible without hating those who commit them. It's illogical and ignorant to hold such a bigoted view against a group of people based off of their moral convictions.

In an adult word, anyway....
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It's also illogical and ignorant to belittle, and treat Christians who don't believe it as a sin poorly. Not calling you out digs, just saying.
 
Your Star said:
It's also illogical and ignorant to belittle, and treat Christians who don't believe it as a sin poorly. Not calling you out digs, just saying.
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It depends how they articulate their view. I have never come across a Christian who held such a view who did so according to anything like a traditional Christian viewpoint.
 
Wessexman said:
To me it is clearly the implication of the title of this thread that gay marriage is not another nail in the coffin or anything like that, but in itself a grave threat to humanity.
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of course it is to YOU, thats the point, thanks for proving it LMAO
 
Wessexman said:
It depends how they articulate their view. I have never come across a Christian who held such a view who did so according to anything like a traditional Christian viewpoint.
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Traditional Christian could mean anything, it has changed so vastly over the years it's hard to give a certain sect of Christianity the label of traditional.
 
Wessexman said:
Scripture tells us homosexuality is a sin.
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You mean an abomination... right along with shellfish, wearing clothing of mixed threads, and mixing with other religions...

Archaic early western civ society codes have no relevance in modern society.

Jesus never mentions it, therefore Christianity should have no negative opinion of it.

As do the Fathers and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.
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You mean the fathers selling their underage daughters for land or a goat = traditional marriage.

Or the early church tradition of men having as many wives, servants, and sex slaves as they could afford. or Polygamy.
 
Your Star said:
Traditional Christian could mean anything, it has changed so vastly over the years it's hard to give a certain sect of Christianity the label of traditional.
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Actually a lot of the core has stayed the same or been quite similar. The same hieratic, sacramental, symbolic, teleological, broadly realist and Christ-centred vision has been the basis, perhaps with some partial changes by the main 'reformers', of traditional Christianity from Paul to Luther and Cranmer. It is correct to see some of the reformers beginning to foreshadow some of the elements of modernist thinking, but they still very much side, in content and sensibilities, with the earlier Church.
 
hazlnut said:
You mean an abomination... right along with shellfish, wearing clothing of mixed threads, and mixing with other religions...

Archaic early western civ society codes have no relevance in modern society.

Jesus never mentions it, therefore Christianity should have no negative opinion of it.
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Paul mentions. Paul is an Apostle of Christ and was accepted as such by the other Apostles, such as Peter, the rock on whom the Church was built, and St.John the Evangelist, the disciple whom Christ loved and who is considered one of only three Saints to be a Theologian, or someone who had seen the face of God, by the Eastern Orthodox Church. St. Paul speaks with the authority of Christ.


You mean the fathers selling their underage daughters for land or a goat = traditional marriage.

Or the early church tradition of men having as many wives, servants, and sex slaves as they could afford. or Polygamy.
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I beginning to think you have a certain lack of historical knowledge on the matter.
 
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Wessexman said:
Actually a lot of the core has stayed the same or been quite similar. The same hieratic, sacramental, symbolic, teleological, broadly realist and Christ-centred vision has been the basis, perhaps with some partial changes by the main 'reformers', of traditional Christianity from Paul to Luther and Cranmer. It is correct to see some of the reformers beginning to foreshadow some of the elements of modernist thinking, but they still very much side, in content and sensibilities, with the earlier Church.
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The very early church was much more like a pagan religion, and oriented on rituals than even today's Catholics would understand. The church has drastically changed over the years, and while yes the whole Jesus thing has been consistent the minutia around the religion has changed, vastly. And obviously homosexuality is not a big topic, nor thing in the church. It has basically nothing to do with Christianity.
 
Your Star said:
The very early church was much more like a pagan religion, and oriented on rituals than even today's Catholics would understand.
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What do you mean by this? You are betraying a modernist viewpoint. In the Early Church the sacraments and such like would not be considered simply memorialist ritual. They would have been considered as part of a complex relationship of matter, spirit and God.

The church has drastically changed over the years, and while yes the whole Jesus thing has been consistent the minutia around the religion has changed, vastly. And obviously homosexuality is not a big topic, nor thing in the church. It has basically nothing to do with Christianity.
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Actually ideas of gender and controlling lust and the correct ways to pursue our desires are central to Christianity.
 
Erod said:
It's not stupid. It's patently true. But how do you argue with sexually mutated people? They don't even know they're wired wrong.

You can't re-wire sexual deviance. You can't un-Sandusky someone. And you can't un-gay someone. It's just the way it is.
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Nobody is talking about why gays are gay or if they can be ungayed. That's not the topic.
 
Wessexman said:
What do you mean by this? You are betraying a modernist viewpoint. In the Early Church the sacraments and such like would not be considered simply memorialist ritual. They would have been considered as part of a complex relationship of matter, spirit and God.
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I'm talking about the first few hundred years, they adopted a lot of pagan rituals, like festivals to to some of the greek gods like dionysus , etc.

Actually ideas of gender and controlling lust and the correct ways to pursue our desires are central to Christianity.
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Not really. The whole be kind to people, give to charity, and accept Christ as your savoir are the core principals.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
From Reuters.com:

Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters

In other words, Pope Benedict is desperate because same-sex relationships and families are becoming more accepted. Such acceptance is based on people becoming more familiar with gay individuals through personal experience, the media and studies that disprove myths about them. Because those myths are easily disproved with tangible evidence, Benedict has realized that he must try to scare people into agreeing with him by appealing to more vague and subjective concepts like "dignity" and "promotion of family" and "social cohesion".

Frankly, Benedict is moving the church backwards as this ridiculousness undermines its increased embracing of scientific inquiry in modern history by basing arguments about measurable realities, like the effect of same-sex parenting on children, on nonsense rather than research. By making these comments, he's likely just going to alienate more Catholics, thereby continuing to make the Church its own worst enemy. One would think that after its child sex abuse scandal, it would take a dose of humility. Guess not.
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You mean science has determined that gay sex is healthy?
 
It's funny when a celibate man says gays are a threat to the future because they don't reproduce.
 
TheNextEra said:
How have I made my case? You don't know my friend and he doesn't define himself first as a homosexual. He identifies himself first and foremost as a fighter. He just happens to be gay.
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Disjointed, fragmented and nonsensical. You are confused. Take a biology class. Pay attention when they start talking about drive.
 
ric27 said:
Disjointed, fragmented and nonsensical. You are confused. Take a biology class. Pay attention when they start talking about drive.
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You really are insane. Try making sense. Have some respect for other humans too.
 
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