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Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

That's just plain stupid. Grow up.

It's not stupid. It's patently true. But how do you argue with sexually mutated people? They don't even know they're wired wrong.

You can't re-wire sexual deviance. You can't un-Sandusky someone. And you can't un-gay someone. It's just the way it is.
 
It's not stupid. It's patently true. But how do you argue with sexually mutated people? They don't even know they're wired wrong.

You can't re-wire sexual deviance. You can't un-Sandusky someone. And you can't un-gay someone. It's just the way it is.


guess those words have new meanings different from the ones in the dictionary. LMAO
 
If this is the Church's plan to keep religion relevant in the West, they couldn't have picked a worse strategy. Seriously, Jon Huntsman could run a more successful campaign.
 
I guess the Pope, of all people, should ignore the scriptures on homosexuality.

I suppose next we should ignore the scriptures on fornication?
 
The title just says that the Pope thinks SSM is a threat to humanity's future. It says nothing about SSM ending humanity on its own.
It implies it is a grave threat though. The ending humanity was just my slightly colourful way of phrasing that. It certainly doesn't imply that gay marriage is just one more nail in the coffin or anything like that.
 
If this is the Church's plan to keep religion relevant in the West, they couldn't have picked a worse strategy. Seriously, Jon Huntsman could run a more successful campaign.
I heard somewhere that it is the more traditional parishes of the Roman Catholic Church which are the more popular in the West.

It is not the Church's responsibility to be relevant to sin and foolishness.
 
I heard somewhere that it is the more traditional parishes of the Roman Catholic Church which are the more popular in the West.

It is not the Church's responsibility to be relevant to sin and foolishness.
It is my understanding that the Church is worried about its floundering numbers in the West. Yet their response seems to be to highlight the very reasons their numbers here are dwindling.
 
It is my understanding that the Church is worried about its floundering numbers in the West. Yet their response seems to be to highlight the very reasons their numbers here are dwindling.
You only have to look at the liberal Protestant Churches to see that overly bowing to modern sensibilities doesn't help you keep your numbers up. Indeed they seem to be some of the most dwindling denominations.

Trying to be relevant to modernism is ultimately self-defeating because modernist attitudes are ultimately enemies to organised religion. So not only do you betray basic aspects of the faith, but you don't win many converts because of this anyway.
 
It is my understanding that the Church is worried about its floundering numbers in the West. Yet their response seems to be to highlight the very reasons their numbers here are dwindling.

Maybe they're banking on the developing nations to fill the collection plates in the coming century?

I'm not religious, but I find it wholly ridiculous that an organisation claiming to be a moral authority should bow down to popular morality of the day to stay popular. That's just as embarassing as a fading celebrity trying to stay relevant with media hyped shock tactics.
 
The Church is worried that Westerners are turning away from God, yes. The way to respond to that is not to say "it's OK to turn away from God". Merely maintaining membership numbers is of no concern to the Church. It is to maintain the awareness in its adherents of what God commands.
 
It implies it is a grave threat though. The ending humanity was just my slightly colourful way of phrasing that. It certainly doesn't imply that gay marriage is just one more nail in the coffin or anything like that.
The title says, "gay marriage a threat to humanity's future". You added the "grave", you added the "ending humanity". If you have a problem with the phrasing, take it up with the Pope.
 
You only have to look at the liberal Protestant Churches to see that overly bowing to modern sensibilities doesn't help you keep your numbers up. Indeed they seem to be some of the most dwindling denominations.
Your point is completely inaccurate. Church attendance is in decline right across western Europe and falling fast in Catholic countries such as Belgium, Ireland and Spain.

DECLINE BY COUNTRY
A 2000 study by the Swedish-based World Values Survey shows nearly half — or more — don't regularly attend church in several Western European countries. percentage of people who "never" or "practically never" attend church in 14 democracies:
Country 1981 2000
France 59% 60%
Britain 48% 55%
NL 41% 48%
Belgium 35% 46%
Sweden 38% 46%
Denmark 45% 43%
Norway 38% 42%
Spain 26% 33%
Germany 23% 30%
Finland 15% 28%
Canada 22% 26%
Italy 22% 17%
US 18% 16%
Ireland 4% 8%
Mean 31% 36%
Source: World Values Survey

Now this isn't up-to-date data, but unless you have more recent findings showing a surge in RC church attendance, I'm going to surmise that whether a church is liberal, traditional or fundamentalist is irrelevant, they're all losing ground, as much in trad Catholic countries as in liberal Protestant ones. Look at Denmark btw.
 
The title says, "gay marriage a threat to humanity's future". You added the "grave", you added the "ending humanity". If you have a problem with the phrasing, take it up with the Pope.

not to mention he totally ignores the word "A" in the phrase, which in fact would mean its ONE of the threats. LMAO


Like I said nobody objective would think what he said :shrug:
 
Your point is completely inaccurate. Church attendance is in decline right across western Europe and falling fast in Catholic countries such as Belgium, Ireland and Spain.



Now this isn't up-to-date data, but unless you have more recent findings showing a surge in RC church attendance, I'm going to surmise that whether a church is liberal, traditional or fundamentalist is irrelevant, they're all losing ground, as much in trad Catholic countries as in liberal Protestant ones. Look at Denmark btw.

Those statistics are utterly irrelevant to my point. My point was that liberal Protestants denominations, particularly in US and the UK, are hemorrhaging members peculiarly fast and also that the traditional parishes are some of the most popular in the Catholic Church. In no sense do those statistics have much bearing on this. There are any number of reasons why Church attendance, which is distinct from religious feeling, is different across those nations, such as anti-Catholic historical and government action for example.

I heard the ABC Australia, religious editor, who is unlikely to be a traditionalist Catholic, state that the point about traditional Catholic parishes.
 
There is nothing wrong with accepting homosexuality as a sin. It's also immature to sling around words like "homophobic" and "bigot."
 
There is nothing wrong with accepting homosexuality as a sin. It's also immature to sling around words like "homophobic" and "bigot."

Accepting it as a sin in our modern world would be ignorant.

We know that sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait, therefore hating people for the way they are born is bigoted. The proper term for anti-gay bigotry is homophobia.

In the adult world, anyway...
 
Accepting it as a sin in our modern world would be ignorant.

We know that sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait, therefore hating people for the way they are born is bigoted. The proper term for anti-gay bigotry is homophobia.

In the adult world, anyway...

"We" don't know any such thing.
 
Accepting it as a sin in our modern world would be ignorant.
You say this out of an intimate knowledge of Christian theology and thought on the matter?

We know that sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait, therefore hating people for the way they are born is bigoted. The proper term for anti-gay bigotry is homophobia.

In the adult world, anyway...
We do not know that firstly. Secondly many conditions which are considered problems or defects are not simply the choice of those suffering them. Thirdly the issue is not hating homosexuality and certainly not for simply being attracted to those of the same sex but thinking that indulging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.

Homophobia is not a proper term for anything. It is a pseudo-psychoanalytic term sinisterly aimed at silencing one's opponent through diagnosing them.
 
Accepting it as a sin in our modern world would be ignorant.

We know that sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait, therefore hating people for the way they are born is bigoted. The proper term for anti-gay bigotry is homophobia.

In the adult world, anyway...

If someone is a Christian and decides to believe that homosexuality is not a sin is willfully ignorance and has fallen into deception in my opinion.

Stop thinking everyone who views homosexuality as a sin literally hates homosexuals. Most would view premarital sex, theft, drunkenness, and other sins to be sinful according to the Bible without hating those who commit them. It's illogical and ignorant to hold such a bigoted view against a group of people based off of their moral convictions.

In an adult word, anyway....
 
The title says, "gay marriage a threat to humanity's future". You added the "grave", you added the "ending humanity". If you have a problem with the phrasing, take it up with the Pope.
To me it is clearly the implication of the title of this thread that gay marriage is not another nail in the coffin or anything like that, but in itself a grave threat to humanity.
 
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