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Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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From Reuters.com:
"This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself," he said.

"The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states; hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue," Benedict told the diplomats.
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Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters

In other words, Pope Benedict is desperate because same-sex relationships and families are becoming more accepted. Such acceptance is based on people becoming more familiar with gay individuals through personal experience, the media and studies that disprove myths about them. Because those myths are easily disproved with tangible evidence, Benedict has realized that he must try to scare people into agreeing with him by appealing to more vague and subjective concepts like "dignity" and "promotion of family" and "social cohesion".

Frankly, Benedict is moving the church backwards as this ridiculousness undermines its increased embracing of scientific inquiry in modern history by basing arguments about measurable realities, like the effect of same-sex parenting on children, on nonsense rather than research. By making these comments, he's likely just going to alienate more Catholics, thereby continuing to make the Church its own worst enemy. One would think that after its child sex abuse scandal, it would take a dose of humility. Guess not.
 
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In the end he will just have to live with a changing world. He can live with 2000 year old ideas.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
From Reuters.com:

Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters

In other words, Pope Benedict is desperate because same-sex relationships and families are becoming more accepted. Such acceptance is based on people becoming more familiar with gay individuals through personal experience, the media and studies that disprove myths about them. Because those myths are easily disproved with tangible evidence, Benedict has realized that he must try to scare people into agreeing with him by appealing to more vague and subjective concepts like "dignity" and "promotion of family" and "social cohesion".

Frankly, Benedict is moving the church backwards as this ridiculousness undermines its increased embracing of scientific inquiry in modern history by basing arguments about measurable realities, like the effect of same-sex parenting on children, on nonsense rather than research. By making these comments, he's likely just going to alienate more Catholics, thereby continuing to make the Church its own worst enemy. One would think that after its child sex abuse scandal, it would take a dose of humility. Guess not.
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The Catholic Church is a shadow of its former self in the United States. And the Pope and his proclamations are rapidly becoming irrelevant. I personally am appalled at the church's continual cover-up of those sexual abuse scandals. More than that, by its exclusionary religious practices, the idea that one can buy (with $$) their way out of mortal sin through Special Dispensation, that if one dies in mortal sin they go to hell, and that babies who die without being baptised are kept segregated in limbo. I could go on. Thank God they can eat meat on Fridays now or hell would be full. :rofl
 
ThePlayDrive said:
From Reuters.com:

Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters

In other words....
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I don't need you to translate for me, I can think for myself, thank you.

What exactly did you expect someone like to the Pope (of all people) to say? Is this really any surprise? There's nothing in your article to debate, and so your thread is doomed to become another $2 whore everyone will ejaculate their emotions on.

Don't blame anyone but yourself when this thread get's closed and/or flushed.
 
Yeah forget climate change, nuclear war, disease, famine, desertification...

No it's really the gays that are the problem.

****ing hell humanity is stupid.
 
MaggieD said:
The Catholic Church is a shadow of its former self in the United States. And the Pope and his proclamations are rapidly becoming irrelevant. I personally am appalled at the church's continual cover-up of those sexual abuse scandals. More than that, by its exclusionary religious practices, the idea that one can buy (with $$) their way out of mortal sin through Special Dispensation, that if one dies in mortal sin they go to hell, and that babies who die without being baptised are kept segregated in limbo. I could go on. Thank God they can eat meat on Fridays now or hell would be full. :rofl
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Actually, the Catholic Church has been well off since the 20th century, and maintains its status. Yes, the scandals have rocked portions of the congregation, but for the most part, being Catholic is being Catholic. Indeed, the American congregation is largely split up and does not follow the Pope's words like a silly Protestant would think (which was why American Catholics had appeared largely Protestantized by many of the Catholic faith since the 19th century), yet I think its recent problems are not *as* large as one may think. We do not sell indulgences all that much, because we haven't had much of a playboy since Giovanni Medici.
 
This from the man who dresses like this....

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In the Gay President thread we discussed whether people would accept investing political power in someone who dresses flamboyantly. Sheesh!
 
How does gay marriage undermine families again? It won't stop straight people from procreating, and it'll provide homes for otherwise unwanted kids if gays choose to adopt.
 
spud_meister said:
How does gay marriage undermine families again? It won't stop straight people from procreating, and it'll provide homes for otherwise unwanted kids if gays choose to adopt.
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Ya know we got spud marriage. Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head (head, pun lol) and civilization didn't fall apart :mrgreen:
 
According to that article he said this;

Pope Benedict said Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined "the future of humanity itself."
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That is a little different than simply saying it is going to end humanity on its own.

TPD references two interesting quotes from the Pope, but I feel they'd be lost on many who do not fully appreciate the Catholic position. There is a whole tradition to Catholic social thought which stretches back to the Schoolmen, Fathers and beyond.

The talk about moving the Church backwards and alienating more Catholics misunderstands the fundamental nature of Catholicism. It is not a democracy and it is meant to preserve the basic and fundamental traditions of Christ's Church. If you think it can accommodate homosexuality or abortion or fornication then you do not understand the Roman Church. It would care nothing for humility in its mission either, it sees itself as the mystical body of Christ who is its head. To disparage itself as a body is to disparage Christ. You also would not understand the Orthodox either, I'm a high Church Anglican but I'm basically Orthodox these days and I care not a jot what members of the Church, bowing under the pressure to conform to modern ideas, think. At one word from the Scriptures, Fathers or Councils such vain opinion fades like the morning mist before the Sun.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Actually, the Catholic Church has been well off since the 20th century, and maintains its status. Yes, the scandals have rocked portions of the congregation, but for the most part, being Catholic is being Catholic. Indeed, the American congregation is largely split up and does not follow the Pope's words like a silly Protestant would think (which was why American Catholics had appeared largely Protestantized by many of the Catholic faith since the 19th century), yet I think its recent problems are not *as* large as one may think. We do not sell indulgences all that much, because we haven't had much of a playboy since Giovanni Medici.
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To be honest I think many silly Protestants could do with paying more attention to the Pope these days.
 
So the Vatican doesn't like gay marriage. What else is new?
 
Wessexman said:
That is a little different than simply saying it is going to add humanity on its own.
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That i can agree with.

On a side note to Reuters.Com, please refrain from putting me in positions where I have to choose between discarding my intellectual honesty and defending the Pope, you know I will choose to keep my intellectual honesty every time and I dont like defending the Pope, he has Catholics for that.
 
Simply put. Is it wise to take moralistic advice from the world's most notorious and unrepentant pedophile enabler ?



Moral equity.....the pope has none.
 
And in other breaking news, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

This is nothing new and I wouldn't expect anything else from the Pope.

I do find it ironic that they talk about gay marriage destroying the sanctity of marriage in a country where 50% of all heterosexual marriages end in divorce.
 
Considering the Catholic Church's stance that the point of marriage is to bear children, this isn't surprising.
 
Got to agree with Jerry. This thread is just a big circle jerk. "Want to join my club where same sex marriage is not allowed? No? OK. Find your own club then."
 
jambalaya said:
Got to agree with Jerry. This thread is just a big circle jerk. "Want to join my club where same sex marriage is not allowed? No? OK. Find your own club then."
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True, but the freedom of the Catholic church to believe this does not give them the freedom from ridicule because of it.
 
Every time gays get married, a straight marriage explodes somewhere. Basic physics.
 
exactly why i am no longer catholic.
 
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