Page 28 of 35 FirstFirst ... 182627282930 ... LastLast
Results 271 to 280 of 350

Thread: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

  1. #271
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah, not until the injustice of gays not being able to marry the people they love goes away.
    They want to share our misery.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  2. #272
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They want to share our misery.
    Which is their right.

  3. #273
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Man and a woman kissing vs two men kissing


    They are not the same, so the same answer will not work.
    The difference being the majority do the former while a small minority do the latter. Which has absolutely nothing to do with why gays should not be able to marry.

    The bottom line is, you have no constitutional right to not be inconvenienced because you're scared of explaining to your kid how homosexuality works, nor do you have the right to only see in public things you deem pleasant.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 01-13-12 at 10:10 PM.

  4. #274
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    A very tiny minority of Buddhists would think about moralising on someone's private behaviour. Mind you, I'm sure there are a few Evangelicals in favour of SSM too. I know an awful lot of gay Buddhists of all traditions, even Tibetan.
    Are these actual Buddhist or Westerners calling themselves Buddhists? Much of the Western, hippie type people who embrace Buddhism are quite out of step with what the religion traditionally has been. If I won't authentic knowledge and practice of Buddhism, and Taoism, I'd avoid most Western practitioners and even overly Westernised Easterners like the plague.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 01-13-12 at 10:20 PM.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  5. #275
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, but this isn't an argument against gay marriage, neither is it evidence that religious institutions would have their rights infringed upon if gays could indeed get married.
    It certainly can be an argument against gay marriage. If wrenching apart marriage to include those of the same sex further upsets the imaginative and cultural meaning of this institution, then it certainly can be an argument against gay marriage.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  6. #276
    Sage
    German guy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 06:57 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    5,187

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They want to share our misery.
    A (straight) friend of mine used to say "naw, I don't want to marry, that's something for homos". :P

    Finally, he did marry last year. Gotcha.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

  7. #277
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It certainly can be an argument against gay marriage. If wrenching apart marriage to include those of the same sex further upsets the imaginative and cultural meaning of this institution, then it certainly can be an argument against gay marriage.
    It is YOUR contention that marriage is being "wrenched apart" and that the meaning of marriage is being "upset" (as opposed to, say, simply being transformed or made to progress). Those are subjective evaluations that are not based on any objective fact or evidence, but rather an individual's value system.

    Even if you did have a point, this reasoning would fall under the "appeal to tradition" fallacy.

  8. #278
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Buddhists, from my personal experience, generally take a dim view of sexual pleasure and lust to begin with, not just homosexuality. I may be generalizing a bit though.
    I believe this, though the topic is complex and I've far from an expert, is true. It would highly anachronistic but you might even say Buddhism has an 'Augustinian'-esue approach to sexuality, ie that it is a necessary sin or tolerated but best avoided passion, if memory serves.

    But Buddhism, somewhat like Taoism, is very different from Western ways of thinking, far more so than say Vedanta or Islam. It would take deep, authentic study and experience for a Westerner to grasp the Buddhist perspective in any acceptable way. I myself do not have this knowledge.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  9. #279
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I believe this, though the topic is complex and I've far from an expert, is true. It would highly anachronistic but you might even say Buddhism has an 'Augustinian'-esue approach to sexuality, ie that it is a necessary sin or tolerated but best avoided passion, if memory serves.

    But Buddhism, somewhat like Taoism, is very different from Western ways of thinking, far more so than say Vedanta or Islam. It would take deep, authentic study and experience for a Westerner to grasp the Buddhist perspective in any acceptable way. I myself do not have this knowledge.
    It's complex. This is both an accurate and inaccurate description at the same time, and you're right, it would be hard for a Westerner to grasp the logic behind it. Ultimately, the goal is for the individual to be able to transcend worldly desire and pleasures so that one is no longer attached to such things, so naturally carnal desires are one of the first to go. Of course, this is a general interpretation of what I have experienced Buddhist attitudes to be; the beliefs of Buddhists are by no means unitary or unvaried.

  10. #280
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It is YOUR contention that marriage is being "wrenched apart" and that the meaning of marriage is being "upset" (as opposed to, say, simply being transformed or made to progress). Those are subjective evaluations that are not based on any objective fact or evidence, but rather an individual's value system.
    One may be able to base them on rational argument however. You would simply have to examine what institutions like marriage mean in society, what supports them and what they support and then see how far such changes create imbalance and how far they can be healthily stretched. Presumably this is a part of the Pope's position, which he intertwines with the Thomistic and Scripture based positions of the Church. It is not out of ignorance he speaks, and in fact those who just decry his comments without understanding them are probably more ignorant. But he may be wrong, that would depend on a detailed investigation of his position.

    Even if you did have a point, this reasoning would fall under the "appeal to tradition" fallacy.
    No, not necessarily. That fallacy is a formal logical fallacy, I believe. That means that if, say, I said evolution is false because tradition says so, then it would be a fallacy. But if tradition is shown to be important to society and I show this is traditional, then there is not necessarily a fallacy.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

Page 28 of 35 FirstFirst ... 182627282930 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •