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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Buddhists, from my personal experience, generally take a dim view of sexual pleasure and lust to begin with, not just homosexuality. I may be generalizing a bit though.
    Sexual pleasure? Not at all. Lust, depending on how you define that, perhaps. Sex of any description, provided it is consensual and grounded in loving kindness, is something natural to be enjoyed, just like every other aspect of nature. Please read the article, it will explain how Buddhists think about sex much better than I can.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Sexual pleasure? Not at all. Lust, depending on how you define that, perhaps. Sex of any description, provided it is consensual and grounded in loving kindness, is something natural to be enjoyed, just like every other aspect of nature. Please read the article, it will explain how Buddhists think about sex much better than I can.
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    The most common formulation of Buddhist ethics are the Five Precepts and the Eightfold Path, one should neither be attached to nor crave sensual pleasure. These precepts take the form of voluntary, personal undertakings, not divine mandate or instruction. The third of the Five Precepts is "To refrain from committing sexual misconduct.[57] However, the "sexual misconduct" is such a broad term, and is subjected to interpretation relative to the social norms of the followers. In fact, Buddhism in its fundamental form does not define what is right and what is wrong in absolute terms for lay followers. Therefore the determination of whether or not homosexuality is acceptable for a layperson is not a religious matter as far as fundamental Buddhism is concerned.[58]
    Buddhism is often characterized as distrustful of sensual enjoyment and sexuality in general.[59] Traditionally, homosexual conduct and gender variance are seen as obstacles to spiritual progress in most schools of Buddhism; as such monks are expected to refrain from all sexual activity, and the Vinaya (the first book of the Tripitaka) specifically prohibits sexual intercourse, then further explain that both anal, oral as well as vaginal intercourse amount to sexual intercourse, which will result in permanent exclusion from Sangha.[60] A notable exception in the history of Buddhism occurred in Japan during the Edo period, in which male homosexuality, or more specifically, love between young novices and older monks, was celebrated.[61]

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    IIRC, I read somewhere that Buddhist teachings and practizes vary very much from region to region and school to school. In many traditionally Buddhist regions, Buddhism has become mixed with local traditions and spiritual practizes which aren't really Buddhist in origin. So it doesn't take me wonder when some local Buddhist traditions reject homosexuality (even when this may or may not be an originally Buddhist teaching).
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah, not until the injustice of gays not being able to marry the people they love goes away.
    What right do homosexuals have to force us to raise our children in view of their open displays of affection? Why should I have to explain to a 5 year-old why two men are kissing in say...Walmart?

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What right do homosexuals have to force us to raise our children in view of their open displays of affection? Why should I have to explain to a 5 year-old why two men are kissing in say...Walmart?
    This is such a stupid ****ing post.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What right do homosexuals have to force us to raise our children in view of their open displays of affection? Why should I have to explain to a 5 year-old why two men are kissing in say...Walmart?
    For the same reason you have to explain to the 5 year old why a guy and a gal are kissing in Walmart, maybe?

    And maybe because individual freedom is worth more than avoiding the feeling of being esthetically offended? Maybe you have a big nose and ugly pockmarks. Yet I have no right to forbid you to exist, just because I feel offended seeing your face at Walmart. I just have to explain to my kid why such ugly people exist.

    Ignoring them wouldn't make ugly people go away anyway. So my kid deserves to know about them, no matter what I think of them.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What right do homosexuals have to force us to raise our children in view of their open displays of affection? Why should I have to explain to a 5 year-old why two men are kissing in say...Walmart?
    I think you would have to explain to your 5 year old why you are in a place like Walmart to begin with. Next the more of a display you make of two people kissing the more the child the more of an impression it will make on that young mind.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    I think people are missing the point, here.

    What kind of self-respecting Gay man would do something so disgusting as frequenting a Walmart?
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What right do homosexuals have to force us to raise our children in view of their open displays of affection?
    This is a classic example of wanting to be offended. You have no right to not see other people's PDAs. It's about as ridiculous as limiting someone else's 1st amendment rights because you can't stand the sight of offensive T-Shirts. Why should gays be subject to watching straight people holding hands and kissing? Put yourself in their shoes.

    Why should I have to explain to a 5 year-old why two men are kissing in say...Walmart?
    The same reason you have to give them the sex talk...If you can't explain to a 5-year-old why two men are kissing (simple answer: two dudes like each other), then I worry about your ability to raise kids in general, cuz if you're gonna raise kids, there's a lot more complex things you're going to have to explain to them throughout their formative years.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This is a classic example of wanting to be offended. You have no right to not see other people's PDAs. It's about as ridiculous as limiting someone else's 1st amendment rights because you can't stand the sight of offensive T-Shirts. Why should gays be subject to watching straight people holding hands and kissing? Put yourself in their shoes.



    The same reason you have to give them the sex talk...If you can't explain to a 5-year-old why two men are kissing (simple answer: two dudes like each other), then I worry about your ability to raise kids in general, cuz if you're gonna raise kids, there's a lot more complex things you're going to have to explain to them throughout their formative years.
    Man and a woman kissing vs two men kissing


    They are not the same, so the same answer will not work.

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