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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What a load of BS. This would be the case of the pro-Gay marriage wanted to force churches/other religious institutions to marry gay couples. This isn't the case. They want marriage as a CIVIL and LEGAL right.
    Are government and law separate from society and culture? Can they have no effect on them?
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    My religion tells me that living out homosexuality is wrong, but on the other side, it requires me not to judge people and not to fight with people, burdening their hearts. This condemnation of homosexual marriage is one of the few commandments of my religion I don't understand, but I have trust that there is some sense in it -- but it's easy for me anyway, I don't feel any homosexual urges I would want to live out.

    Apart from that, I don't believe my religious convictions should be forced down anybody's throat. People who don't share my views and/or religion should not be required to abide to its rules. I don't want any government to legislate my morals. Just like I insist on the freedom to practize my religion, I believe atheists deserve the same freedom. It's just my responsibility to apply my morals to myself and my own lifestyle, not to lecture others. Just like it's the responsibility of other believers to manage their sexual urges first, instead of lecturing others. If you think acting gay is wrong, then simply don't do it.

    Apart from that, one of my closest friends is homosexual and in a same-sex civil union. I trust him very much and would rather let him babysit my (future) children than anybody else. He and his husband would be great parents, I believe.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Are government and law separate from society and culture? Can they have no effect on them?
    The answer is no, but to claim that the legitimization of gay marriage as a legal and civil institution as an infringement on religious rights is complete bull****.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The answer is no, but to claim that the legitimization of gay marriage as a legal and civil institution as an infringement on religious rights is complete bull****.
    That is not the point.

    Why do people get married? What does marriage mean? Does it not draw deeply on certain ideas and conceptions and, if you will, certain imaginative images ingrained in our society and culture? Such as two people coming together in romantic love, desiring to stay together and raise a family and expressing what this means in a set and customary ceremony?
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From Reuters.com:

    Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters

    In other words, Pope Benedict is desperate because same-sex relationships and families are becoming more accepted. Such acceptance is based on people becoming more familiar with gay individuals through personal experience, the media and studies that disprove myths about them. Because those myths are easily disproved with tangible evidence, Benedict has realized that he must try to scare people into agreeing with him by appealing to more vague and subjective concepts like "dignity" and "promotion of family" and "social cohesion".

    Frankly, Benedict is moving the church backwards as this ridiculousness undermines its increased embracing of scientific inquiry in modern history by basing arguments about measurable realities, like the effect of same-sex parenting on children, on nonsense rather than research. By making these comments, he's likely just going to alienate more Catholics, thereby continuing to make the Church its own worst enemy. One would think that after its child sex abuse scandal, it would take a dose of humility. Guess not.
    The leader of a religion who religious scriptures say homosexuality is a sin is saying gay marriage is a threat to humanity.Oh the shock,the surprise oh the horror of it all. Its about as news worthy as reporting that really fat people don't like to exercise or that prostitutes accept money or drugs for sex.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And in Taiwan, you can add Buddhist opposition to it...
    A very tiny minority of Buddhists would think about moralising on someone's private behaviour. Mind you, I'm sure there are a few Evangelicals in favour of SSM too. I know an awful lot of gay Buddhists of all traditions, even Tibetan.

    The highly respected and influential Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh was asked...
    Q. What is the Buddhist view of homosexuality?
    A. The spirit of Buddhism is inclusiveness. Looking deeply into the nature of a cloud, we see the cosmos. A flower is a flower, but if we look deeply into it, we see the cosmos. Everything has a place. The base-the foundation of everything-is the same. When you look at the ocean, you see different kinds of waves, many sizes and shapes, but all the waves have water as their foundation and substance. If you are born gay or lesbian, your ground of being is the same as mine. We are different, but we share the same ground of being. The Protestant theologian Paul Tillich said that God is the ground of being. You should be yourself. If God has created me as a rose, then I should accept myself as a rose. If you are a lesbian, then be a lesbian. Looking deeply into your nature, you will see yourself as you truly are. You will be able to touch the ground of your being and find peace.

    Thich Nhat Hanh: On Homosexuality « praktis isanghamahal
    Even the Dalai Lama, known for his somewhat retrogressive views on homosexuality says he..."opposes violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation. He urges respect, tolerance, compassion, and the full recognition of human rights for all."

    Here is a terrific article on the Buddhist attitude to sexual ethics. It would be well worth reading it all, but one passage stood out in the context of this thread:
    Buddhism is a pure case of universal religion, with no social engineering element. So much so that it does not even have a marriage service. Marriage is a civil matter in Buddhist countries, it has nothing to do with spiritual practice as such. Nor does the Buddhist canon contain a 'holy family' with prescribed sex roles that subordinate women.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That is not the point.
    Yes it is, it was MY point in response to Jerry7's post.

    Why do people get married? What does marriage mean? Does it not draw deeply on certain ideas and conceptions and, if you will, certain imaginative images ingrained in our society and culture? Such as two people coming together in romantic love, desiring to stay together and raise a family and expressing what this means in a set and customary ceremony?
    Yes, but this isn't an argument against gay marriage, neither is it evidence that religious institutions would have their rights infringed upon if gays could indeed get married.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    A very tiny minority of Buddhists would think about moralising on someone's private behaviour. Mind you, I'm sure there are a few Evangelicals in favour of SSM too. I know an awful lot of gay Buddhists of all traditions, even Tibetan.

    The highly respected and influential Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh was asked...

    Even the Dalai Lama, known for his somewhat retrogressive views on homosexuality says he..."opposes violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation. He urges respect, tolerance, compassion, and the full recognition of human rights for all."

    Here is a terrific article on the Buddhist attitude to sexual ethics. It would be well worth reading it all, but one passage stood out in the context of this thread:
    Buddhists, from my personal experience, generally take a dim view of sexual pleasure and lust to begin with, not just homosexuality. I may be generalizing a bit though.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't need you to translate for me, I can think for myself, thank you.

    What exactly did you expect someone like to the Pope (of all people) to say? Is this really any surprise? There's nothing in your article to debate, and so your thread is doomed to become another $2 whore everyone will ejaculate their emotions on.

    Don't blame anyone but yourself when this thread get's closed and/or flushed.
    Of course they knew all this, they just want to make hay out what the Pope said. My question is why do we need a 1000 threads on gay marriage? We just can't talk enough about this can we? The Sexuality Forum is solid gay marriage and gay-whatever.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Of course they knew all this, they just want to make hay out what the Pope said. My question is why do we need a 1000 threads on gay marriage? We just can't talk enough about this can we? The Sexuality Forum is solid gay marriage and gay-whatever.
    Yeah, not until the injustice of gays not being able to marry the people they love goes away.

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