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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    The Pope is not the only religious leader to recently speak out about the dangers posed by gay marriage.

    Nearly 40 religious leaders, including Catholic, evangelical, Jewish and Mormon figures, issued an open letter Thursday that argues that the battle against same-sex marriage is a fight on behalf of religious freedom.
    Among the signatories of the Jan. 12 letter on marriage and religious freedom are leaders of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the Anglican Church in North America, the Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints, Agudath Israel of America, the Salvation Army, National Association of Evangelicals, Assemblies of God, the Wesleyan Church, the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and Church of the Nazarene
    Religious leaders: Gay marriage a 'peril' to liberty - Washington Times
    Just goes to prove the point that fundamentalist religion, be it Christian, Jewish or Islamic, is still the greatest threat to liberty in the world.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    I dare you to give me an honest answer to these questions then:

    Do you ever have sex in a way that couldn't lead to reproduction? Oral sex, for instance? Or even not during your partner's ovulation?

    Do you oppose marriage of or sex among people who are known to be sterile? Or post-menopausal women?
    According to Catholic-Scholastic it is only if you aim to defeat the purpose of sexual procreation that you are being immoral. As long as the overall purpose is pursued then none of the above are considered immoral. It would be immoral if you married someone because they were sterile, but as long as the final cause of sexual intercourse, which is considered reproduction in the broadest sense of producing and bringing up healthy children, is not defeated through one's conscious or negligent actions then no sin is committed.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    Just goes to prove the point that fundamentalist religion, be it Christian, Jewish or Islamic, is still the greatest threat to liberty in the world.
    You still haven't given a decent definition of fundamentalist. You appear to think it is any religious philosophy that doesn't give in to modern viewpoints. But why should they necessarily give in on these position? Doesn't this make you a fundamentalist, by narrowly and rigidly subordinating everything to unquestionable and unexamined, literal modern perspectives.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Leading a lifestyle of celibacy is more a threat to humanity...

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You still haven't given a decent definition of fundamentalist. You appear to think it is any religious philosophy that doesn't give in to modern viewpoints. But why should they necessarily give in on these position? Doesn't this make you a fundamentalist, by narrowly and rigidly subordinating everything to unquestionable and unexamined, literal modern perspectives.
    fundamentalism (fun¦da|men¦tal|ism)

    noun
    [mass noun]

    * a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture:
    Source: OED
    That'll do for me, and given that I reject your religion, your denomination, your morals and your figurehead, your arguments mean nothing to me either. You may hold your fundamentalist (see definition) or your traditionalist (if you prefer) positions and leave me unaffected and unmoved. In rational terms and employing classical logic your and your pope's intellectual somersaults can't even aspire to the level of sophistry. Your response above to Misterman gives the impression that you're making this stuff up as you go along.

    I've pretty much said all I'm going to say on this subject, but I would advise you to invest in a copy of the OED, it really would help.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    The Pope is not the only religious leader to recently speak out about the dangers posed by gay marriage.

    Nearly 40 religious leaders, including Catholic, evangelical, Jewish and Mormon figures, issued an open letter Thursday that argues that the battle against same-sex marriage is a fight on behalf of religious freedom.
    Among the signatories of the Jan. 12 letter on marriage and religious freedom are leaders of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the Anglican Church in North America, the Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints, Agudath Israel of America, the Salvation Army, National Association of Evangelicals, Assemblies of God, the Wesleyan Church, the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and Church of the Nazarene
    Religious leaders: Gay marriage a 'peril' to liberty - Washington Times
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That'll do for me, and given that I reject your religion, your denomination, your morals and your figurehead, your arguments mean nothing to me either. You may hold your fundamentalist (see definition) or your traditionalist (if you prefer) positions and leave me unaffected and unmoved.
    But that definition wouldn't include the Pope. Unless you are taking strict to mean anyone who holds to a religious philosophical viewpoint over any cherished principle of modernity. But then you actually have to argue why they should give up their viewpoint on this, not just demand it. That would make you the same as a proper fundamentalist, in many ways.
    In rational terms and employing classical logic your and your pope's intellectual somersaults can't even aspire to the level of sophistry. Your response above to Misterman gives the impression that you're making this stuff up as you go along.
    Or maybe it is just you have not the first bit of understanding of Thomistic and Catholic thought. It is rather ironic you bring up classical logic, as the Catholic position is of course based on Aristotelian logic. I would do a bit of reading before you pontificate on others taking supposedly ad hoc positions;

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    The Pope is not the only religious leader to recently speak out about the dangers posed by gay marriage.

    Nearly 40 religious leaders, including Catholic, evangelical, Jewish and Mormon figures, issued an open letter Thursday that argues that the battle against same-sex marriage is a fight on behalf of religious freedom.
    Among the signatories of the Jan. 12 letter on marriage and religious freedom are leaders of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the Anglican Church in North America, the Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints, Agudath Israel of America, the Salvation Army, National Association of Evangelicals, Assemblies of God, the Wesleyan Church, the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and Church of the Nazarene
    Religious leaders: Gay marriage a 'peril' to liberty - Washington Times
    What a load of BS. This would be the case of the pro-Gay marriage wanted to force churches/other religious institutions to marry gay couples. This isn't the case. They want marriage as a CIVIL and LEGAL right.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Just goes to prove the point that fundamentalist religion, be it Christian, Jewish or Islamic, is still the greatest threat to liberty in the world.
    The problem isn't even religion per se, it's ignorance.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The problem isn't even religion per se, it's ignorance.
    Well that much is obvious.
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