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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    You know, Jesus can't actually be the Messiah. From what I've heard, anyone who tries to change the laws of the torah is a charlatan and not a Messiah.
    Christians have a particular way they view the Old Testament. It certainly differs from Rabbianic Judaism, but from the traditional Christian position that is, in general, irrelevant.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Christians have a particular way they view the Old Testament. It certainly differs from Rabbianic Judaism, but from the traditional Christian position that is, in general, irrelevant.
    "If a prophet arises among you, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder which he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, 'Let us go after other gods,; which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him, and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and cleave to him."
    (Deuteronomy 13:1-4)

    It's completely relevant. You can't be a traditional Christian but pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow and which ones you want to ignore. In fact, following both the Old Testament and the New Testament is contradictory, since they have contradictory information (Jesus is of virgin birth, but the Messiah has to be from the line of David.)
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
    Jesus is considered the consummation and fulfillment of the Law in its truest guise.

    It's completely relevant. You can't be a traditional Christian but pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow and which ones you want to ignore. In fact, following both the Old Testament and the New Testament is contradictory, since they have contradictory information
    We choose in what way we view the Old Testament. We view it as laying the stage for Christ. Rabbianic Judaism has a very different approach. This means we interpret Old Testament laws and commands through this lens.

    (Jesus is of virgin birth, but the Messiah has to be from the line of David.)
    Mary is of the line of David, I believe. So is Joseph.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Jesus is considered the consummation and fulfillment of the Law in its truest guise.

    We choose in what way we view the Old Testament. We view it as laying the stage for Christ. Rabbianic Judaism has a very different approach. This means we interpret Old Testament laws and commands through this lens.

    Mary is of the line of David, I believe. So is Joseph.
    I changed the quote. If Mary is of the line of David, I will relent on that point. But a true Jew would interpret the Bible literally.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I changed the quote. If Mary is of the line of David, I will relent on that point. But a true Jew would interpret the Bible literally.
    I believe both are claimed from this line. The gospels are taken as claiming he is descended from David from both Mary and Joseph, Joseph being his father at law. Rather like Roman noble families who would adopt children from other noble families to continue their line and seemingly not blink an eye at the child or youth not being their biological offspring. But anyway the gospels are traditionally interpreted as showing Mary is of the line of David as well.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You know, Jesus can't actually be the Messiah. From what I've heard, anyone who tries to change the laws of the Torah is a charlatan and not a Messiah.

    So if you're going to ignore some of the Torah, then why not all of it?
    You move from "From what I've heard" to accepting as fact that some of the Torah has been ignored. Why bring up the Torah or David's line at all if you know little yourself and are relying on what you've heard and when you haven't done a little research yourself?

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    He doesn't define himself that way. Why do you define yourself by ignorance?
    Definition of DEGENERACY
    1
    : the state of being degenerate
    2
    : the process of becoming degenerate


    3
    : sexual perversion


    Homosexuality is degenerate. It is deviant and a perversion. That is a scientific fact.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Definition of DEGENERACY
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    : the state of being degenerate
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    : the process of becoming degenerate


    3
    : sexual perversion


    Homosexuality is degenerate. It is deviant and a perversion. That is a scientific fact.
    Cool that almost makes me want to turn gay

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