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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I agree, but I don't think a proper response to the situation is "let's water down the societal meaning of marriage even more". I would prefer people to be honest and just shack up. Civil unions for hospital visitation, wills, child custody, etc. Leave "marriage" alone.
    I don't see gay marriage as "watering down marriage even more" so I will have to disagree with you there. Marriage is what you make of it and if you want to trivilize yours that is your right and your problem. Gay marriage no more affects my marriage than a neighbor buying a blu-ray affects my marriage. If someone's marriage is ****ty, that's on them, not because of some other marriage.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    My point is that the further the definition of marriage slides, the less serious we as a society will take the institution. Marriage, traditionally, is between a breeding pair of man and woman, a union made permanent to have a stable foundation for the rearing of children.

    No fault divorce makes it easy for two people to break up a family. Though a couple may have serious problems, having the out of divorce can often make people look for a way out rather than hash out their differences.

    Now that breaking up a family is relatively easy, the whole purpose of marriage (making a foundation for a family) is compromised. That opens the door to expanding the definition of marriage and thereby the definition of family. Moving the goalposts indeed.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
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    Man, I love etymology!

    I've always just had a thing for insects, I guess.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    My point is that the further the definition of marriage slides, the less serious we as a society will take the institution. Marriage, traditionally, is between a breeding pair of man and woman, a union made permanent to have a stable foundation for the rearing of children.

    No fault divorce makes it easy for two people to break up a family. Though a couple may have serious problems, having the out of divorce can often make people look for a way out rather than hash out their differences.

    Now that breaking up a family is relatively easy, the whole purpose of marriage (making a foundation for a family) is compromised. That opens the door to expanding the definition of marriage and thereby the definition of family. Moving the goalposts indeed.
    Well you're free to interpret that as being the reason gay marriage is being looked at, but I disagree with you. I think gay marriage is being looked at because as a society people are realizing that being gay is not as bad as people were making it out to be in the past. More progressive views accepting gay people as human beings and not treating them as stigmitations in society is the reason for gay marriage being looked at in my opinion.

    However, even using your example, heterosexuals are still responsible for THEIR OWN marriages and noone else is responsible for them. You can blame no fault divorce all you want but in the end it's the people, not the policies of no fault divorce, that make their own decisions.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    One problem with constantly slinging the term "homophobia" around is that it loses its power. "Phobia" means "irrational fear."

    Another problem is that it's so frequently misused. Those who don't approve of homosexuality don't necessarily fear it; they don't like it and don't approve of it.
    Christ alive! How many more times do you need to have the definition of 'homophobic' explained to you? "Extreme and irrational dislike of homosexuals". It's an adjective, not a feckin' diagnosis.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    One problem with constantly slinging the term "homophobia" around is that it loses its power. "Phobia" means "irrational fear."
    That fits perfectly with some people though, including some on this thread.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Not approving isn't the same as fearing
    That's true. One shouldn't use the term lightly. However, some who say they simply don't approve end up revealing that their disapproval is clearly rooted in fear or hatred and isn't rational.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I've always just had a thing for insects, I guess.
    Is that another perversion?
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Those who don't approve of homosexuality don't necessarily fear it; they don't like it and don't approve of it.
    There is a natural tendency in language towards the condensation of ideas into single words. In this case, the term "homophobia" eliminates the need to say "dogmatic prejudice against sexual orientation devoid of rational thought", "acting out against inner sexual feelings in conflict with social mores", or "manifestation of sexual insecurities based upon overly expressed ego needs reliant in the approval of others".

    We just say "homophobic" because it is easier.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Is that another perversion?
    Only when done properly, misterman, only when done properly.

    It's the bees knees as they say.
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