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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It is funny when people make comments about beliefs and viewpoints they clearly know little about. A clear understanding of the Catholic Church's position makes your joke rather weak, inaccurate and silly.
    Lighten up, Francis.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

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    Why do gays define themselves by their sexuality? Ask your buddy


    He doesn't define himself that way. Why do you define yourself by ignorance?

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    One problem with constantly slinging the term "homophobia" around is that it loses its power. "Phobia" means "irrational fear."

    Another problem is that it's so frequently misused. Those who don't approve of homosexuality don't necessarily fear it; they don't like it and don't approve of it.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    One problem with constantly slinging the term "homophobia" around is that it loses its power. "Phobia" means "irrational fear."

    Another problem is that it's so frequently misused. Those who don't approve of homosexuality don't necessarily fear it; they don't like it and don't approve of it.
    True, but there are many that when it really comes down to it have an "irrational" fear of homosexuality. There is one poster who "fears" that his children will see two homosexuals kissing. That is a homophobe by definition. Others "fear" that gay marriage will destroy the sanctity of marriage. Which the whole marriage fear thing is funny considering that heterosexuals have a 50% divorce rate anyway.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    My point is that "homophobe" and "homophobia" are consistently misused on threads such as this to brand those who don't approve of same-sex marriage, etc. Not approving isn't the same as fearing and, IMO, it's an attempt to marginalize the opinions of those with whom you disagree.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    My point is that "homophobe" and "homophobia" are consistently misused on threads such as this to brand those who don't approve of same-sex marriage, etc. Not approving isn't the same as fearing and, IMO, it's an attempt to marginalize the opinions of those with whom you disagree.
    Well unfortunately when those who as you put it "don't approve" are questioned on why, often times the way they articulate that disapproval would lead one to believe it is rather irrational.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Not approving isn't the same as fearing and, IMO, it's an attempt to marginalize the opinions of those with whom you disagree.
    I agree with you there on that principle. However, in many cases once you find out WHY the person doesn't approve, it is mainly out of fear. Hence why some use the term homophobe.

    If you come up to me and say you don't approve of homosexuality because the bible tells you so. That is not being a homophobe. If you say it is because you fear it will destroy the sanctity of marriage. That would earn the label homophobe.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    True, but there are many that when it really comes down to it have an "irrational" fear of homosexuality. There is one poster who "fears" that his children will see two homosexuals kissing. That is a homophobe by definition. Others "fear" that gay marriage will destroy the sanctity of marriage. Which the whole marriage fear thing is funny considering that heterosexuals have a 50% divorce rate anyway.
    I also have a problem with the no fault divorce laws that allow the divorce rate to be that high (though the widely touted statistic "half" of all marriages ending in divorce is a matter of some dispute). It waters down the societal perception of marriage, turns it into a transitory and frivolous enterprise to be entered into and departed with lightly, and IMO is one of the reasons same sex marriage is now being considered.
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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I also have a problem with the no fault divorce laws that allow the divorce rate to be that high (though the widely touted statistic "half" of all marriages ending in divorce is a matter of some dispute). It waters down the societal perception of marriage, turns it into a transitory and frivolous enterprise to be entered into and departed with lightly, and IMO is one of the reasons same sex marriage is now being considered.
    The main point being, homosexuals don't affect the "sanctity" of marriage. Heterosexuals have been tearing the "sanctity" of marriage down all on their own.

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    Re: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope

    I agree, but I don't think a proper response to the situation is "let's water down the societal meaning of marriage even more". I would prefer people to be honest and just shack up. Civil unions for hospital visitation, wills, child custody, etc. Leave "marriage" alone.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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